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Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior
From: Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net>
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 14:17:43 -0500
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 01:52:58PM -0500, Constantine A. Murenin wrote:
When you're not paying for service, you're not the customer, you're the product.
A pleasantly misleading statement. Most easily observed in that there are many cases where there is multiple monetization. You may be your broadband provider's customer, but it's likely they're still selling you in other ways. On the flip side, some of us provide free services with no ulterior motive. Go figure.
I don't understand why anyone, especially anyone frequenting NANOG, would use Cloudflare for their DNS.
The early '90's called and said you're missing (don't worry, they said it about me too). :-) ;-) The Internet didn't evolve in the way its designers expected. Early mistakes and errors required terrible remediation. As an example, look at the difficulty involved in running a service like e-mail or DNS. E-mail requires all sorts of things to interoperate well, including SPF, DKIM, SSL, DNSBL's, etc., etc., and it is a complicated service to run self-hosted. DNS is only somewhat better, with the complexity of DNSSEC and other recent developments making for more difficulties in maintaining self-hosted services. Some people want basic services that "just work" without having to put any effort into them. That isn't limited to non-technical users. Outsourcing stuff like DNS is just a continuation of the trend of sending your workloads onto someone else's cloud. It seems easy -- right up until it isn't working the way you want it to. But for most people, even those frequenting NANOG, maybe they just don't want to go set up their own recursion nameservice. I'm not saying I agree with that strategy, but at least it's understandable. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"-Asimov
Current thread:
- Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior John Sage (May 29)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Havard Eidnes via NANOG (May 29)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Mark Milhollan (May 30)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Constantine A. Murenin (May 30)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Saku Ytti (May 30)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior John Sage (May 30)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Ryan Hamel (May 30)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Joe Greco (May 30)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Rubens Kuhl (May 30)
- RE: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Keith Medcalf (May 31)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Joe Greco (May 31)
- Re: Curious Cloudflare DNS behavior Saku Ytti (May 30)