RE: COVID-19 vs. our Networks

["Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf () dessus com>]

If it is "critical" you need a dedicated circuit.  If it is "meh, who gives a shit", then you can go though the 
Internet.

The root of the issue is that some idiot did a bad Risk Assessment.  Hope it got fired or killed so it won't do this 
again in the future.

Hope you also learned something as well.  Freedom of the Press belongs to He Who Owns the Press.  If you are using 
someone else's presses (particularly without directly paying and contracting with that party for the use of their 
presses), you will live or die according to the whim of the owner of the Press, and there is SFA you can do about that. 
 That is how the world has worked for billions of years.  You would think people would understand that by now.

--
The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> On Behalf Of Mike Bolitho
> Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2020 12:02
> To: Clayton Zekelman <clayton () mnsi net>
> Cc: nanog <nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks
>
> First of all, we use a mixture of layer 2/3 private lines and DIA
> circuits. You don't know our infrastructure, stop being condescending. It
> goes against the spirit of this mailing list.
>
> Second, yes, the Internet is protected. Both public and private lines. I
> know this because we have TSP coded circuits and I spent four years at a
> Tier I ISP servicing TSP coded circuits
>
> Third, the trouble we had was a third party service having congestion
> issues. They are hosted by the same CDN as Call of Duty. The problem was
> both outside of our control and our third party service's control. The
> chokepoint was between ISPs/IXPs and the CDN. I've seen this time and
> time again while working at the aforementioned ISP. Saturated links on
> ISP/IXP/CDN networks. This is where the TSP code comes in. In this day
> and age of cloud services, it is financially unfeasible for every company
> to have a private line to every single cloud provider. That's
> preposterous to even suggest.
>
> - Mike Bolitho
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 10:40 AM Clayton Zekelman <clayton () mnsi net
> <mailto:clayton () mnsi net> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>       The Internet is not a telecommunications service, according to your
> FCC.  If you want predictability, buy WAN circuits, not Internet
> circuits.   If your provider is co-mingling Internet and WAN traffic
> (i.e. circuits with defined endpoints vs. public Internet or VPN), then
> you need to talk to them about their prioritization.
>
>       If you have mission critical applications, put them on mission
> critical infrastructure, not the public Internet.
>
>       Oh, that's right - Internet circuits are cheaper than WAN circuits
>
>
> Clayton Zekelman
> Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)
> 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E
> Windsor, Ontario
> N8W 1H4
>
> tel. 519-985-8410
> fax. 519-985-8409