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Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it?
From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:33:48 +0000
“SHOULD” is not “SHALL”, and thus this doesn’t countermand RFC 768’s instruction “ If not used, a value of zero is inserted." So the key question is, when is the source port not used? When a reply is not requested, is my thinking. Is there an application that implements this in UDP? (it’s nonsensical in TCP, which always requires a handshake, after all). I don’t recall one, but I can envision one: sending a one-way notification that requires no acknowledgement. Given that IP is designed to be extensible to support innovation, who’s to say that there won’t eventually be (if there isn’t already) an application that happens to follow the standard-declared mandate “If not used, a value of zero is inserted"? Should this application be randomly crippled (by inconsistent filtering) for simply following the rules? I know some say there is a security risk to zero-sourced UDP, but it seems to me that risk is only due to incorrect IP stack code. Zero-sourced UDP should be in everyone’s regression tests to verify non-dangerous behavior, since it’s an edge case specifically noticed by the standard. I think filtering zero-sourced UDP flies in the face of fundamental Internet interoperability. -mel On Aug 25, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas () gmail com> wrote: Sorry! sed 's/"I can think"/"I can't think"/g' Em ter., 25 de ago. de 2020 às 09:16, Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera () gmail com<mailto:ximaera () gmail com>> escreveu: Peace, On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 2:14 PM Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas () gmail com<mailto:fischerdouglas () gmail com>> I can think of a genuine use of it. I'm curious which one. With Berkeley sockets there's technically no way to bind(2) to this port without some amount of kernel patching applied, and the system cannot allocate it by itself, either. -- Töma -- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
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- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it?, (continued)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? K. Scott Helms (Aug 25)
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- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? John Kristoff (Aug 25)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? Tom Beecher (Aug 25)
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- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? K. Scott Helms (Aug 26)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? Nick Hilliard (Aug 26)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? K. Scott Helms (Aug 26)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? Töma Gavrichenkov (Aug 25)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? Douglas Fischer (Aug 25)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? Mel Beckman (Aug 25)
- Re: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? Matthew Petach (Aug 25)
- RE: TCP and UDP Port 0 - Should an ISP or ITP Block it? adamv0025 (Aug 25)