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Re: Russian government’s disconnection test
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:49:58 -0400
I think the disconnect idea is actually a good one... I don't know that I want to DO IT, but :) it certainly seems like a reasonable disaster recovery planning exercise :) (likely doing it is the only way to really suss out the problems though) On Sat, Nov 2, 2019 at 12:19 PM Mike Bolitho <mikebolitho () gmail com> wrote:
I would imagine that the internet is a whole less resilient today in 2019 than it was back in the day before the cloud takeover.It's far more resilient now than it has ever been. More sub-sea cables. Multiple routes across continents. The very fact that there are AWS/Azure/Google Cloud data centers located around the globe makes anything hosted there even more resilient, not less (and for the most part, I still prefer on prem DC so I'm not even pushing "To the cloud!").
"as long as the customers (who need global reachability) build their cloud applications/etc without just sticking everything in the equivalent of us-east" :) There are a LOT of folk who ' tossed it in the cloud, all good now?' and .. .sadly did not plan on disaster/global-reachability very well :(
- Mike Bolitho On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:16 PM Constantine A. Murenin <mureninc () gmail com> wrote:Unpopular opinion: other countries should do the same. If somehow all the transatlantic (and/or transpacific) cables are offline; will the whole internet outside of the US stop working, too? AWS and all the other providers have DCs all over the world, but would they still work if they can't contact the mothership, and for how long? (Has any of this ever been tested?) I would imagine that the internet is a whole less resilient today in 2019 than it was back in the day before the cloud takeover. You often can't even install OSS without an internet connection anymore. Would Golang stop working? What else? Would you and/or your corporation be able to access your own email? All these things may seem silly, until you actually encounter the situation where you're offline, and it's too late to do anything. C. On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 18:04, Scott Weeks <surfer () mauigateway com> wrote:--- surfer () mauigateway com wrote: From: "Scott Weeks" <surfer () mauigateway com> Anyone got any technical info on how Russia plans to execute a disconnection test of the internet? ------------------------------------ Got crickets, so now I have to respond to my own post on what I just found out about it. Is that like talking to yourself? :) https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/775366588/russian-law-takes-effect-that-gives-government-sweeping-power-over-internet "The "sovereign Internet law," as the government calls it, greatly enhances the Kremlin's control over the Web. It was passed earlier this year and allows Russia's government to cut off the Internet completely or from traffic outside Russia "in an emergency," as the BBC reported. But some of the applications could be more subtle, like the ability to block a single post." "The equipment would conduct what's known as "deep packet inspection," an advanced way to filter network traffic. "Regardless of what the government intends, some experts think it would be technically difficult for Russia to actually close its network if it wanted to, because of the sheer number of its international connections." "What I found was that there were hundreds of existing Internet exchange points in Russia, some of which have hundreds of participants...Many of them are international network providers, he says, so "basically it's challenging — if not impossible, I think — to completely isolate the Russian Internet." Belson says that the requirement for Internet service providers to install tracking software will very likely also be challenging in practice. He adds that it will be difficult to get hundreds of providers to deploy it and hard to coordinate that they're all filtering the same content. scott
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- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Scott Weeks (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test John Von Essen (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Sean Donelan (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Nathan Angelacos (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Constantine A. Murenin (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Fred Baker (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Sean Donelan (Nov 04)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Nick Hilliard (Nov 04)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Fred Baker (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Töma Gavrichenkov (Nov 01)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Mike Bolitho (Nov 04)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Christopher Morrow (Nov 04)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Valdis Klētnieks (Nov 04)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test Töma Gavrichenkov (Nov 04)
- Re: Russian government???s disconnection test Rich Kulawiec (Nov 05)
- Re: Russian government’s disconnection test John Von Essen (Nov 01)