Re: A Zero Spam Mail System [Feedback Request]

[Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan <giri () dombox org>]

Thanks James for the feedback.

I created that medium post for non-technical audience. But yes your
feedback is quite valid. I just removed plenty of content from the blog
post.

You don't need a throw-away email account in my system.

If I had to create an entry for each domain I wanted to received mail from
> I'd pull my eyes out with frustration.


You would do this only for the unique domains just like you do in "Password
Manager". For example, you would create a box for nanog.

We deal with "spammers" only in the "injection" phase. If you have not read
until the part where it says "Hot Gates Strategy", then it's really hard to
connect the dots.

Thanks

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 2:21 PM James Bensley <jwbensley () gmail com> wrote:

> On 18 February 2019 06:58:21 GMT, Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan <
> giri () dombox org> wrote:
> > Just gone through all your replies.
> >
> > Literally everyone attacking me here. Could you tell me why? Because I
> > have
> > been rude to John Levine, right? So you all think you have the right to
> > give me "mob justice". But as an innocent man I have to suffer all John
> > Levine attacks because he is a most valued member of NANOG. Is that
> > what
> > you are all saying?
> >
> > There is only one regret I have in this situation. I shouldn't have
> > been
> > rude with Töma Gavrichenkov and Suresh Ramasubramanian. That's because
> > they
> > didn't know what happened between John and me 6 months back. Most
> > probably
> > they would never have behaved with me in the way John behaved. I wasn't
> > paying attention to that part. When I noticed the word "50 words", I
> > thought they are mocking me too.
> >
> > ---------
> > @Töma Gavrichenkov and Suresh Ramasubramanian
> >
> > I don't think I can go back and correct my mistakes. But trust me. I do
> > regret for my words. I'm really sorry for being rude with you two. Take
> > this as my sincerest apology. You two deserve that.
> > ---------
> >
> > @Everyone
> >
> > It sucks when you sit on the "humiliation" chair when the mistake is
> > not
> > yours. I'm a farmer's son from a third world country, yet trying to
> > contribute to this world in the way I can.
> >
> > Asking for feedback is not a mistake. But I have been attacked in
> > multiple
> > lists for that. This is the only thread I was rude and cocky.
> >
> > What you all think I spend my time only in attacking others? Have you
> > ever
> > noticed my other threads <https://lists.gt.net/nanog/users/202185>? I
> > usually give respect to everyone. But I can't give respect to people
> > who
> > don't care about others feelings. What you all think, I'm a heartless
> > man?
> >
> > One guy was attacking me for my poor english skills. Excuse me for not
> > being poetic in my paper. I studied in my local language. English was
> > an
> > alien language to me. I started to learn "English" only in my early
> > twenties. I just turned 30. This is what I picked in the past 10 years.
> >
> > Just because the ball is in your court doesn't mean, you all can throw
> > at
> > me in the way you can. I explained what happened between John Levine
> > and me
> > in my original post. That's because I don't want this man to go and
> > create
> > another thread to attack me or meddle in my efforts.
> >
> > I'm a guy who spend day and night in working on things I believe. I'm
> > definitely not gonna turn into a Mark Zuckerberg. But I'm gonna make a
> > difference to this world one way or another.
> >
> > None of never completed my paper. Most probably you have no idea what's
> > in
> > it. But you all think you have the right to attack me, because I was
> > rude
> > with John? This is an engineering community. Don't convert it into a
> > "Prison Brotherhood" where the new guy always has to bend over.
>
>
> I have no idea who you are, or who John is, or what sort if disagreement
> you guys had. I also don't care. I'm a user of this list, I read the
> threads that look interesting when I can (when I have time) and sometimes
> post responses. You haven't offended me and I don't owe you anything, so
> here is my impartial response;
>
> Your white paper is 300 pages long. That is literally 10x the length of
> what a white paper should be. White papers are not instruction manuals on
> exactly how something works and how to set it up, they're short succinct
> documents that give the highlights of the product, who can benefit from it,
> how, why etc.
>
> Who is your target audience for your writing? I read somewhere up to about
> half of your medium blog post. You start by explaining what different kinds
> of email are (spam vs phishing, transactional vs promotional) etc. This is
> an introduction for what email is. That's too basic for sending to a
> technical audience. Skip right to the main course, people have short
> attention spans, I hate having to skim through pages of stuff I know to
> find what I'm looking for.
>
> I didn't finish the blog post. I read that I'd have to create a mailbox
> (Dombox) for each domain I want to receive mail form and I switched off. I
> read further to see the examples but this killed my interest. Its too much
> effort for the average person. I'm emailing you now from throw-away Gmail
> account, which is free with world class spam filtering, I get like 1 spam
> email in my inbox per month. 1! And the reason I have this Gmail account is
> so that I can be reckless with handing out this this email address and it
> has no negative consequences for me. It's signed up to about 50 mailing
> lists right now, I get hundreds of emails. If I had to create an entry for
> each domain I wanted to received mail from I'd pull my eyes out with
> frustration.
>
> Also, this already exists. I could just run my own mail server and deny a
> mail except from domains or addresses which I have explicitly white listed
> in my server config, so how is your solution bettering that? I can even use
> a two step system: free email with Gmail to use their excellent spam
> filtering which my server then pulls via IMAP and drops anything not in my
> whitelist.
>
> Sorry, I just don't see the benefit (or at least, I couldn't see it in the
> few 2 thousand words of your blog, if its not clear by this point, why
> would I read on, I'm too busy to have to read more than a couple of
> thousands words and still not get to a clear description of the benefits
> you're offering).
>
> Cheers,
> James.


-- 
Best Regards,

Viruthagiri Thirumavalavan
Dombox, Inc.