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Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet
From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 06:15:36 +0000
Eric, Not really. The customer provides the content on its own servers. The CDN simply redistributes the content via temporary caching. It’s not a web hosting provider. The CDN _customer_ hosts the content. -mel beckman On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com<mailto:eric.kuhnke () gmail com>> wrote: A CDN is a hosting company. It is the logical continuation and evolution of what an httpd hosting/server colo company was twenty years ago, but with more geographical scale and a great deal more automation tools. I have never in my life seen a medium to large-sized hosting company that didn't have a ToS reserving the right to discontinue service at any time for arbitrary reasons. On Mon, Aug 5, 2019 at 7:28 PM Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org<mailto:mel () beckman org>> wrote: Valdis, A CDN is very much an ISP. It is providing transport for its customers from arbitrary Internet destinations, to the customer’s content. The caching done by a CDN is incidental to this transport, in accordance with the DMCA. The alternative is that you believe CDNs are not protected by safe Harbor. Is that the case? -mel via cell
On Aug 5, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Valdis Klētnieks <valdis.kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:valdis.kletnieks () vt edu>> wrote: On Mon, 05 Aug 2019 20:40:43 -0000, Mel Beckman said:The key misunderstanding on your part is the phrase “on your servers”. ISPs acting as conduits do not, by definition (in the DMCA), store anything on servers.Note that ISPs whose business is 100% "acting as conduits" are in the minority. Hint: The DMCA has the text about data stored on ISP servers because many ISPs aren't mere conduits. And this thread got started regarding a CDN, which is very much all about storing data on servers.....
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- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet, (continued)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Eric Kuhnke (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 05)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Mel Beckman (Aug 06)
- Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet) Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Aug 06)
- RE: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet) Keith Medcalf (Aug 06)
- Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet) Valdis Klētnieks (Aug 06)
- RE: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet) Keith Medcalf (Aug 06)
- Re: the CLOUD Act (was What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet) Mel Beckman (Aug 06)
- Re: What can ISPs do better? Removing racism out of internet Rob McEwen (Aug 06)