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RE: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?
From: <adamv0025 () netconsultings com>
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:01:05 +0100
Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 9:06 PMOn Apr 25, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc> wrote: It seems like just another example of liability shifting/shielding. I'll
defer to
Actual Lawyers obviously, but the way I see it, Packetstream doesn't have any contractual or business relationship with my ISP. I do. If I sell
them my
bandwidth, and my ISP decides to take action, they come after me, not Packetstream. I can plead all I want about how I was just running "someone else's software" , but that isn't gonna hold up, since I am responsible
for
what is running on my home network, knowingly or unknowingly. And *that* is *exactly* my concern. Because those users...('you' in this example)...they have *no idea* it is causing them to violate their ToS/AUP with their provider.
But isn't there a law in US that protects oblivious or outright simple-mined population from falling for these type of "easy money" schemes by prohibiting these types of business? I believe there's something like that in EU (rendering pyramid schemes or lending money with extreme interests illegal for example). Although I appreciate that in this particular case the exact formulation would be rather cumbersome to define. adam
Current thread:
- Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Apr 24)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Paul Ferguson (Apr 24)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Job Snijders (Apr 24)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Mark Seiden (Apr 25)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? John Levine (Apr 25)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? K. Scott Helms (Apr 25)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Tom Beecher (Apr 25)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Apr 25)
- RE: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? adamv0025 (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? John Levine (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? William Herrin (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Rich Kulawiec (Apr 27)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Mike Hammett (Apr 27)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Mark Seiden (Apr 25)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Matthew Kaufman (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Tom Beecher (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Mike Hammett (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Mel Beckman (Apr 26)
- Re: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS? Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. (Apr 26)