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Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)
From: Michael Hallgren <mh () xalto net>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 21:19:40 +0200
Morocco... Sure? Data points? mh Le 2018-05-29 20:00, Owen DeLong a écrit :
It was a convenient example with which I had experience near Eritrea. My statement would apply equally for say, Zambia or Morocco. OwenOn May 29, 2018, at 10:58 , Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke () gmail com> wrote:Ethiopia is significantly different and unique, in its own unusual way, because of the government monopoly telecom. Other people can correct me if I'm wrong, but unless the situation has changed in the past two years, all small to medium sized ISPs in Ethiopia are mandated by law to be downstream of the government run telecom ASN. Also the government owned national telecom has a monopoly on all international fiber connections to neighboring countries (at OSI layer 1), and for things like STM/SDH or 1/10/ Gbps Ethernet L2 transport services to any location outside of Ethiopia.The Ethiopian Internet is also subject to significant censorship and attempted blockage of VPN and VoIP services.https://www.google.com/search?q=ethiopia+internet+censorship&oq=ethiopia+internet+censorship&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57.2857j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 <https://www.google.com/search?q=ethiopia+internet+censorship&oq=ethiopia+internet+censorship&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57.2857j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 10:21 AM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com <mailto:owen () delong com>> wrote:> > The Internet in Indonesia is the very same Internet in Eritrea, as it is > in Canada. We can't quite split that…I admit that I haven’t been to Eritrea or Indonesia, but using Ethiopia and Malaysia as stand-ins (which I have been to), I can say that while they are the same internet, the level of development, the payment systems which are usable via said internet, and other aspects of the daily use and capabilities which can be utilized on the internet in those countries does vary greatly.For example, Apple Pay is somewhat ubiquitous in Canada. It’s virtually unheard of in Ethiopia. My travels to Malaysia were not recent enough for me to commentaccurately on the current state of things.M-Pesa is widely accepted in Kenya, but not at all in the US or Canada.PayPal is popular in the US, but not so much in most of the rest of the world.YMMV.IPv6 is readily available on almost every mobile phone in the US. Less so inKenya or Tanzania, Eritrea, Canada, or Indonesia.While all connected networks are part of the same big I Internet, not all networks are created or maintained equal and not all services on those networks areubiquitously available to all users of the big I Internet. Owen
Current thread:
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?), (continued)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Ben Cannon (May 30)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mark Tinka (May 30)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mark Tinka (May 30)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) John R. Levine (May 28)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mike Lyon (May 28)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) John R. Levine (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mark Tinka (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Owen DeLong (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Eric Kuhnke (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Owen DeLong (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Michael Hallgren (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Randy Bush (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mark Tinka (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mike Lyon (May 28)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mark Tinka (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Ben Cannon (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Owen DeLong (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mike Hammett (May 29)
- Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) Mark Tinka (May 28)