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Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 12:41:36 -0700
On May 26, 2018, at 18:42 , Royce Williams <royce () techsolvency com> wrote: On Sat, May 26, 2018 at 4:57 PM Dan Hollis <goemon () sasami anime net> wrote:I imagine small businesses who do a small percentage of revenue to EU citizens will simply decide to do zero percentage of revenue to EU citizens. The risk is simply too great.That would be a shame. I would expect the level of effort to be roughly commensurate with A) the size of the org, and B) the risk inherent in what data is being collected, processed, stored, etc. I would also expect compliance to at least partially derive from vendor/cloud/outsource/whatever partners, many of whom should be scaled/scaling up to minimally comply.
Here’s the problem… The way GDPR is written, if you want to collect (and store) so much as the IP address of the potential customer who visited your website, you need their informed consent and you can’t require that they consent as a condition of providing service. Basically, the regulation is so poorly written that it is utterly nonsensical and I wonder how business in Europe intend to function when they can’t make collecting someone’s address a condition of allowing them to order something online.
I would also not be surprised if laws of similar scope start to emerge in other countries. If so, taking your ball and going home won't be sustainable. If small, vulnerable orgs panic and can't realistically engage the risk, they may be selecting themselves out of the market - an "I encourage my competitors to do this" variant.
Let’s hope that if enough businesses take their ball and go home, the EU and other regulators will wake up and smell the hydrogen-sulfide and write better laws. I’m not opposed to privacy protection, but GDPR contains way too much overreach and way too little logic or common sense.
Naively ... to counter potential panic, it would be awesome to crowdsource some kind of CC-licensed GDPR toolkit for small orgs. Something like a boilerplate privacy policy (perhaps generated by answers to questions), plus some simplified checklists, could go a long way - towards both compliance and actual security benefit.
The first word does a pretty good job of describing the rest of that paragraph as mentioned by others.
In a larger sense ... can any org - regardless of size - afford to not know their data, understand (at least at a high level) how it could be abused, know who is accessing it, manage it so that it can be verifiably purged, and enable their customers to self-manage their portion of it??
Yes. But even if an org does all of that, there are still significant problems with GDPR. Owen
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- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news, (continued)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Rob McEwen (May 26)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG (May 26)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Rob McEwen (May 26)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Michel 'ic' Luczak (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Sander Steffann (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Anne P. Mitchell Esq. (May 28)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Dan Hollis (May 26)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Royce Williams (May 26)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Dan Hollis (May 26)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Owen DeLong (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news niels=nanog (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Stephen Satchell (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news niels=nanog (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Michel 'ic' Luczak (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Sander Steffann (May 27)
- Re: Whois vs GDPR, latest news Dan Hollis (May 23)
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