Re: NANOG list errors

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

I got a whole bunch overnight as well. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

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From: "Andy Ringsmuth" <andy () newslink com> 
To: "NANOG list" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:24:51 PM 
Subject: NANOG list errors 

Fellow list members, 

The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours 
after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols. 

Anyone able to sort this out and fix? 


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This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. 

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not 
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. 

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can 
delete your own text from the attached returned message. 

The mail system 

<nanog () nanog org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog () nanog org 
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org 
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2B72F160040 
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy () newslink com 
Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC) 

Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog () nanog org 
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog () nanog org 
Action: failed 
Status: 5.4.6 
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog () nanog org 

From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy () newslink com> 
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed 
Date: July 17, 2018 at 9:53:01 AM CDT 
To: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org> 



> On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 
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> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for 
> most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later. 
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> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
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> Midwest-IX 
> http://www.midwest-ix.com 

Well, in a few years when we’re all watching 4D 32K Netflix on our 16-foot screens with 5 million DPI, it’ll make all 
the difference in the world, right? 

Tongue-in-cheek obviously. 


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Andy Ringsmuth 
andy () newslink com 
News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 
2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 
(402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular 

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This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. 

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not 
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. 

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. 

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can 
delete your own text from the attached returned message. 

The mail system 

<nanog () nanog org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog () nanog org 
Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org 
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2F2AA160040 
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy () newslink com 
Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:46:02 +0000 (UTC) 

Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog () nanog org 
Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog () nanog org 
Action: failed 
Status: 5.4.6 
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog () nanog org 

From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy () newslink com> 
Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed 
Date: July 17, 2018 at 11:12:22 AM CDT 
To: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org> 



> On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu> wrote: 
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> On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote: 
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> > 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away 
> > from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents 
> > anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup 
> > comes later. 
>
> Doesn't stop customers from buying it if it's cheap and available, which 
> doesn't stop them from proving they are getting 10Gbps as advertised. 
>
> Mark. 

I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 
200 amps at one time? Highly highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp service in all 
homes we supply!” they sure could. Would an electrician be able to test it? I’m sure there is a way somehow. 

If me and everyone on my street tried to use 200 amps all at the same time, could the infrastructure handle it? 
Doubtful. But do I on occasion saturate my home fiber 300 mbit synchronous connection? Every now and then yes, but 
rarely. Although if I’m paying for 300 and not getting it, my ISP will be hearing from me. 

If my electrical utility told me “hey, you can upgrade to 500 amp service for no additional charge” would I do it? 
Sure, what the heck. If my water utility said “guess what? You can upgrade to a 2-inch water line at no additional 
charge!” would I do it? Probably yeah, why not? 

Would I ever use all that capacity on $random_utility at one time? Of course not. But nice to know it’s there if I ever 
need it. 


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Andy Ringsmuth 
andy () newslink com 
News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 
2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 
(402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular 


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Andy Ringsmuth 
andy () newslink com 
5609 Harding Dr. 
Lincoln, NE 68521 
(402) 304-0083 cellular