Re: Purchased IPv4 Woes

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

He did mention Hotmail. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

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From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh () kyneticwifi com> 
To: "Justin Wilson" <lists () mtin net> 
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:06:00 AM 
Subject: Re: Purchased IPv4 Woes 

Would you mind naming the company so that they can be publicly shamed? That 
is nothing sort of extortion. 

On Mar 19, 2017 10:36 PM, "Justin Wilson" <lists () mtin net> wrote: 

> Then you have the lists which want money to be removed. I have an IP that 
> was blacklisted by hotmail. Just a single IP. I have gone through the 
> procedures that are referenced in the return e-mails. No response. My 
> next step says something about a $2500 fee to have it investigated. I know 
> several blacklists which are this way. Luckily, many admins do not use 
> such lists. 
>
>
> Justin Wilson 
> j2sw () mtin net 
>
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>
> > On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Bob Evans <bob () FiberInternetCenter com> 
> wrote: 
> > Pete's right about how IPs get put on the lists. In fact, let us not 
> > forget that these lists were mostly created with volunteers - some still 
> > today. Many are very old lists. Enterprise networks select lists by some 
> > sort of popularity / fame - etc.. Like how they decide to install 8.8.8.8 
> > as first - its easy and they think its better than their local ISP they 
> > pay.... yet they always call the ISP about slowness when 8.8.8.8 is for 
> > consumers and doesn't always resolve quickly. It's a tough sale. 
> >
> > Once had a customer's employee abuse their mail server - it made some 
> > lists. Customer complained our network is hosting spammers and sticking 
> > them in the middle of a problem that is our networks. Hard win. Took us 
> > months to get that IP off lists. That was one single IP. We did not allow 
> > them to renew their contract once the term was over. Now, they suffer 
> with 
> > comcast for business. ;-) 
> >
> > Thank You 
> > Bob Evans 
> > CTO 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017, Pete Baldwin wrote: 
> > >
> > > > So this is is really the question I had, and this is why I was 
> > > > wanting to 
> > > > start a dialog here, hoping that it wasn't out of line for the list. I 
> > > > don't 
> > > > know of a way to let a bunch of operators know that they should remove 
> > > > something without using something like this mailing list. 
> Blacklists 
> > > > are 
> > > > supposed to fill this role so that one operator doesn't have to try and 
> > > > contact thousands of other operators individually, he/she just has to 
> > > > appeal 
> > > > to the blacklist and once delisted all should be well in short order. 
> > > >
> > > > In cases where companies have their own internal lists, or only 
> > > > update 
> > > > them a couple of times a year from the major lists, I don't know of 
> > > > another 
> > > > way to notify everyone. 
> > >
> > > I suspect you'll find many of the private "blacklistings" are hand 
> > > maintained (added to as needed, never removed from unless requested) and 
> > > you'll need to play whack-a-mole, reaching out to each network as you 
> find 
> > > they have the space blocked on their mail servers or null routed on 
> their 
> > > networks. I doubt your message here will be seen by many of the "right 
> > > people." How many company mail server admins read NANOG? How many 
> > > companies even do email in-house and have mail server admins anymore? :) 
> > >
> > > Back when my [at that time] employer was issued some of 69/8, I found it 
> > > useful to setup a host with IPs in 69/8 and in one of our older IP 
> blocks, 
> > > and then do both automated reachability testing and allow anyone to do a 
> > > traceroute from both source IPs simultaneously, keeping the results in a 
> > > DB. If you find there are many networks actually null routing your 
> > > purchased space, you might setup something similar. 
> > >
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