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Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM
From: "John Levine" <johnl () iecc com>
Date: 1 Dec 2017 01:47:47 -0000
In article <3d84c686-aa5f-8180-8a37-be77fef949a8 () tnetconsulting net> you write:
I would also configure MLMs to forward unknown bounces to the -owner. Hopefully the -owner would then feed (a sanitized copy of) the unknown bounce type the MLM maintainer(s) to improve said MLM.
I suppose that would make sense for the 0.1% of mailing lists run by people with the skill and interest to hack on their list software.
It's a rathole, it doesn't scale, and it is not a bug that you can send mail to people who you don't already know.I wasn't aware that DKIM-ATPS necessitated needing to know who you were going to send to.
ATPS was an experiment that failed. Nobody uses it, it didn't scale.
If identities were a magic bullet, we'd all be signing with S/MIME.I am (and have been for years) a proponent of S/MIME.
I can't help but note the absence of S/MIME signatures on roughly 100% of all of the messages in this thread.
(I think we're still talking about how can an intermediate mail server be authorized to be part of the SMTP end-to-end mail delivery chain. Even if said intermediate mail server is downstream of the sender.)
Yeah, that's what ARC is intended to do. R's, John
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- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM, (continued)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Michael Thomas (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM valdis . kletnieks (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Grant Taylor via NANOG (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM John Levine (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Grant Taylor via NANOG (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM John Levine (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM William Herrin (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Grant Taylor via NANOG (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM John Levine (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Grant Taylor via NANOG (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM John Levine (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Grant Taylor via NANOG (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM John R. Levine (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Grant Taylor via NANOG (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Bjørn Mork (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Rich Kulawiec (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Steve Atkins (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Bjørn Mork (Dec 01)
- RE: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Keith Medcalf (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Owen DeLong (Dec 01)
- Re: Incoming SMTP in the year 2017 and absence of DKIM Owen DeLong (Dec 01)