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Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
From: Andrew Kerr <andrew () thekerrs ca>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2017 01:02:50 +0000
Canadian here who's evaluated service providers and dealt with legal requirements for our customers... Generally we weren't worried about data travelling through the US based on normal internet routes, as long as it was encrypted. The thing we usually specified in RFPs was that the data could never be stored in the US. On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 17:52 Dave Cohen <craetdave () gmail com> wrote
It seems to me the original question was asking about it more from a legal perspective, in other words does Canadian traffic have to stay in Canada. IANAL (or a Canadian), but the answer is "mostly, no, especially as related to publicly routed traffic" as should be evidenced based on what's already been discussed here. In other words, there is restricted traffic but unless you're making a play for MAN/WAN type service on owned infrastructure, those requirements are unlikely to arise. To support the macro point, there is some big-boy level peering in Toronto but not really much else outside that, but there are plenty of routes that don't cross the border if you don't have to jump networks to your destination, for example going to an AWS on ramp in Canada using a native partner network, especially in the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal. Dave Cohen craetdave () gmail comOn Aug 8, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody () pch net> wrote: --Apple-Mail=_8DA28412-F6D0-43D8-A90F-5E151E54468E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiOn Aug 8, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton () MNSi Net> wrote: =20 =20 =20 With the peering policies of the major Canadian ISPs, you're virtually =guaranteed to hairpin through the US on most paths.=20 Robellus (Rogers, Bell & Telus) will peer with you at any of their =major Canadian peering points, such as NYC, Chicago or LA. To be fair, Rogers does peer in Toronto. Along with New York, Chicago, = Seattle, and Ashburn. -Bill --Apple-Mail=_8DA28412-F6D0-43D8-A90F-5E151E54468E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZilooAAoJEG+kcEsoi3+HgNsQAIPkgL/lVL/j1sdPyiyQsepE TCyHm4bsAq6m085kXoRj/IWn+KsVwmAq8ZGKnKEAiozmrSeyxAa2vmw5Kfs57l1/ crBima+EOOlPT4VcD7tv9e8yEiVdjDuMp5tnLI238qCfIlHeHRtuU7CClzWPv6uD 3jCNIBEcScrLWz37Ofm/D2AkYRAhhK5H8I417Y/39TH4MIoIKFsGbvWwpl30Fv8r 5phO0MrTP6mB8niHne6HTxyMED5TGQpVEL2Qgh6qgaI9vzAs5/47KwwY57tZpxaL v9GjkPJ4Ql7QVWbsSkXnFmHxXzqaHXAfg8SR+gsCN42Jyn99AIyAAwdALhqc4RuZ ydi+lOlEutAMndA01CnrI81Eu/RpWrN+q/vi37W2rb6EPTPcCz2196JDlpC6VVW6 tJOMNuP6Pa/ee52Cxu6RWwA4QZ6QVIT9fbDcRFXTGNuohwP8XVpujcsPLChzsFXA Y2nt+TliL697lTZNbTZEzQ0f9w2rpCDpcLjTMCR8MNWZ4MjQHL3eDgO5ZIWHPTQf ggR1Dz2EhPSXXZdvN7KPh1q9rhRb2VUPSn3EeEDo2TjgUVeUlunsDg/ILpf8lxUY RTsXe5Nky7YqXKDG4HSlLF3R/RtfaVqKJfjljYg351cs40rzivzjD2TJ8r35RQeW btKUtEvrcU28g15nOhLG =MTUG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8DA28412-F6D0-43D8-A90F-5E151E54468E--
Current thread:
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing, (continued)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Keenan Tims (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Bill Woodcock (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Rod Beck (Aug 09)
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- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Clayton Zekelman (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Bill Woodcock (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Clayton Zekelman (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Eric Dugas (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Keenan Tims (Aug 08)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing LHC (k9m) (Aug 11)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Andrew Kerr (Aug 09)
- RE: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Hiers, David (Aug 10)
- Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing Jean-Francois Mezei (Aug 21)