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Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11
From: Jean-Francois Mezei <jfmezei_nanog () vaxination ca>
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2016 17:30:11 -0400
On 2016-10-23 15:46, jim deleskie wrote:
Sure lets sue people because they put too many/bad packets/packets I don't like on the internet. Do you think this will really solve the porblem? Do you think we'll not just all end up with internet prices like US medical care prices?
If this were to get to a court of law, would there be proof that products Axis IP Camera Inc or Panasonic or even Xerox Printers were (partly) responsible for the attack ? Won't they deflect this to trying to find those who hacked their products ? Won't they deflect this to onwers who did not secure their networks from inbound telnet ? And do those units really declare their port 23 to the NAT router via UPnP ? that is really really stupid. One problem with consumer goods is lack of documentation and support. Could years back, I got a very early Smart RG DSL modem specially modified to work on Bell Canada's non standard VDSL dslams. No instruction manual, no documentation. I found a number of bugs in the software, and sent a lengthy email to document them. As an early adopter, I wanted to help the company fix those before wider deployment. (and yes, the units have a command line, and from the command line you can get into a linux shell). The response I got: Unless you sign a contract with one of our distributors, you cannot report bugs. Unfortunately, this appears to be widespread with consumer goods vendors who sell sophisticated devices without documentation or support.
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- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Josh Reynolds (Oct 22)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Mark Foster (Oct 22)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Josh Reynolds (Oct 22)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Mark Andrews (Oct 22)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Josh Reynolds (Oct 22)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 bzs (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 jim deleskie (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 bzs (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Martin Hannigan (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 bzs (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Jean-Francois Mezei (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Jean-Francois Mezei (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Eric S. Raymond (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Ronald F. Guilmette (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 bzs (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Ronald F. Guilmette (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Stephen Satchell (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 David Conrad (Oct 23)
- Re: Death of the Internet, Film at 11 Stephen Satchell (Oct 23)