Nanog Politics [was: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.]]

["Alexander Maassen" <outsider () scarynet org>]

Whether it's politics, non-politics, related, offtopic, whatever. It has
been discussed in here for lengths and overlengths. This one is no
different. And hey, rules exist to be bend >:-)

Second, the content of the topic will affect ALL of us, whether you are an
ISP, simple admin/tech or anyone else watching and participating on this
list as it discusses changes that are to be expected getting a new
president with his new associates who probably only looks at the cashflow
without having any clue about the technical difficulties and problems they
will cause.

In all the time I am monitoring nanog know, there is one thing I learned:
If you don't like it, simply move it to /dev/null and ignore the contents.

On Sun, November 13, 2016 11:01 pm, Mel Beckman wrote:
> Rod,
>
> I respectfully disagree. This is discussing politics, not the "operational
> and technical issues" of NANOG's charter.
>
> There are other venues for politics. NANOG's AUP prohibits political
> discussions.
>
>  -mel
>
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Rod Beck
> <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com<mailto:rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com>>
> wrote:
>
>
> Public policy affecting networks is a legitimate topic. Net neutrality has
> been discussed countless times on this board with no objection from
> anybody.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Roderick.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org<mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org>> on
> behalf of Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org<mailto:mel () beckman org>>
> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 10:37 PM
> To: surfer () mauigateway com<mailto:surfer () mauigateway com>
> Cc: nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: Eisenach & the FCC - was: [Re: Here we go again.]
>
> Before this snowball gets any bigger, I would like to reiterate the
> previous commenter calling for this present political discussion to move
> elsewhere. Here's the NANOG AUP we've all agreed to:
>
>
>
> NANOG Acceptable Use Policy
>
> * Discussion will focus on Internet operational and technical issues as
> described in the charter of NANOG<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter>.
> Current Charter | North American Network Operators
> Group<https://www.nanog.org/history/charter>
> www.nanog.org<http://www.nanog.org>
> As amended October 6, 2010. 1. Preamble. The North American Network
> Operators' Group (NANOG) exists to promote dialog between people
> concerning the creation ...
>
>
>
> * Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited.
>
> * Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are prohibited.
>
>
>
> You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.
>
>  -mel
>
> On Nov 13, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Scott Weeks
> <surfer () mauigateway com<mailto:surfer () mauigateway com><mailto:surfer () mauigateway com>>
> wrote:
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> jfmezei_nanog () vaxination ca<mailto:jfmezei_nanog () vaxination ca><mailto:jfmezei_nanog () vaxination ca>
> wrote:
>
> The president elect chose Mr Eisenach to help fill jobs in FCC
> and other telecom areas of govt.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> That'll have impact on ops, if some of the papers are correct.
> Briefly:
>
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert
> [https://s.aolcdn.com/dims5/amp:a6317e0b93421c087f056ab209b700d98a021849/t:1200,630/q:80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fdims-shared%2Fdims3%2FGLOB%2Fcrop%2F4666x2539%2B0%2B0%2Fresize%2F1600x871%21%2Fformat%2Fjpg%2Fquality%2F85%2Fhttps%3A%2F%2Fs.aolcdn.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F914aeeebf580a22eca2109764d528600%2F204549332%2F2d3a00d2e6d34d28a309ce5a6622451b.jpeg]<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert>
>
> Under Trump the future of Net Neutrality and broadband is
> uncertain<https://www.engadget.com/2016/11/09/under-trump-the-future-of-net-neutrality-and-broadband-is-uncert>
> www.engadget.com<http://www.engadget.com>
> On January 20th, Donald Trump will be sworn in as president of the United
> States. With a Republican-controlled House and Senate behind him, things
> in this count...
>
>
>
> "Eisenach has made a career out of crusading against industry
> regulation"
>
> "...authored several papers and op-ed pieces that were funded by
> Net Neutrality opponents ..."
>
>
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-fcc-net-neutrality-zero-rating-policy-future-2016-11
>
> "The Economics of Zero Rating." In it, Eisenach defends the concept,
> writing that "broad-based bans or restrictions on zero-rating plans
> are likely to be counterproductive and harm consumer welfare."
>
>
>
> Interesting times ahead...
>
>
> scott