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Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se>
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 07:32:51 +0200 (CEST)
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016, Tore Anderson wrote:
I wonder if anyone has attempted to estimate approx. how much RIB/FIB space a single DFZ route requires in total across the entire internet...
You mean in money? A lot. The problem is that we have so far no feasible way to make "polluter pay". So people de-aggreggate left/right, because there is no marginal cost to them, because that cost is instead shared by everybody.
I'd imagine the cost to us all is thousands of USD per DFZ slot, if not more. Per month this might not be huge though...
Let's say we have 100k routers with all DFZ routes (should be correct magnitude, right?), let's say a router that can take full DFZ instead of smaller number of routes differ 10kUSD? (right magnitude on average?).
That's a billion dollars in CAPEX then. Divide that by 5 year lifetime of router, that's 200MUSD per year. Divide that by 100k extra routes that are in the DFZ because nobody is paying for it and you get 2kUSD per year per route.
I hope I got the math right...But even 2kUSD per year per route isn't significant amount of money, I still think quite a lot of these routes would get advertised even if each DFZ-prefix came with a cost.
So I also think that is part of the reason we don't have a charging system for DFZ slots, because getting that charging infrastructure to work isn't worth it, the benefit of this complication isn't enough.
-- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike () swm pp se
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- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Davide Davini (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Tore Anderson (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Mark Andrews (Jun 07)
- Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Baldur Norddahl (Jun 08)
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- RE: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed Naslund, Steve (Jun 03)
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