Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

[Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com>]

Yeah today I cancelled Netflix for exactly this reason.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:35 PM Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

> I think the day that Netflix tells me to turn off IPv6 or doesn’t serve me
> content
> because one of my routes to the internet for IPv6 is via an HE tunnel (the
> other
> two are different tunnels, but all of my IPv4 also goes through tunnels)
> will be the
> day I tell Netflix that I will turn them off instead.
>
> Let’s face it folks, if we want to encourage Netflix to tell the content
> providers
> to give up the silly geo-shit, then we have to stop patronizing channels
> that do
> silly geo-shit.
>
> The only real impact is to vote with your $$$ and tell the companies you
> are
> unsubscribing from exactly why you are unsubscribing.
>
> So far, I haven’t run into an issue where I couldn’t get what I wanted to
> watch
> via a tunnel I was able to set up. When/If Netflix gets good enough to
> detect
> and block my tunnel, I’ll stop using Netflix and stop paying them. I’ll
> also
> make sure that they know why.
>
> I’m sure if they lose enough customers for this reason, they’ll choose to
> do something
> about it with their content providers. After all, the fewer subscribers
> Netflix has,
> the less they pay the content providers, too.
>
> Sure, nobody cares about my $10/month or whatever it’s up to these days,
> but if a
> few thousand of us start walking off and it starts to look like a trend,
> it can
> change things.
>
> Owen
>
> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 17:17 , Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com>
> wrote:
> > Very true. Telling people to turn off IPv6 support through their customer
> > service portal is completely infuriating for those that can't get IPv6
> > through their ISP and need it.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:13 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes but HE doesn't serve residential users directly. To a normal person
> HE
> > > is no different than NTT/GTT/Verizon/Sprint/Any other transit carrier.
> They
> > > may move the most v6 traffic, but Comcast is the largest ISP actually
> > > getting v6 to end users.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sryan () arbor net
> > > *Arbor Networks*
> > > +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m)
> > > www.arbornetworks.com
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Cryptographrix <
> cryptographrix () gmail com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't remember the source, but I do remember that even with Comcast's
> > > > deployment, HE still represented the majority of IPv6 traffic in the
> US.
> > > > Of course, it could just be a bunch of us heavy IPv6 users.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:03 PM Spencer Ryan <sryan () arbor net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Comcast is near 100% on their DOCSIS network (Busniess and
> residential).
> > > > > That should be the largest single ISP for IPv6 for end users in the
> USA.
> > > > > *Spencer Ryan* | Senior Systems Administrator | sryan () arbor net
> > > > > *Arbor Networks*
> > > > > +1.734.794.5033 (d) | +1.734.846.2053 (m)
> > > > > www.arbornetworks.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Cryptographrix <
> cryptographrix () gmail com
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Depends - how many US users have native IPv6 through their ISPs?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I remember correctly (I can't find the source at the moment),
> HE.net
> > > > > > represents something like 70% of IPv6 traffic in the US.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And yeah, not doing that - actually in the middle of an IPv6 project
> at
> > > > > > work at the moment that's a bit important to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 7:45 PM Baldur Norddahl <
> > > > > > baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Den 4. jun. 2016 01.26 skrev "Cryptographrix" <
> > > > > > cryptographrix () gmail com>:
> > > > > > > > The information I'm getting from Netflix support now is explicitly
> > > > > > > telling
> > > > > > > > me to turn off IPv6 - someone might want to stop them before they
> > > > > > > > completely kill US IPv6 adoption.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not allowing he.net tunnels is not killing ipv6. You just need need
> > > > > > native
> > > > > > > ipv6.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On the other hand it would be nice if Netflix would try the other
> > > > > > protocol
> > > > > > > before blocking.