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Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks
From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 08:39:47 -0400
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 03:34:32PM -0400, bzs () theworld com wrote:
I don't know if one can write a ToS which says you will be shut down if you harm another party utilizing another party's services but not otherwise involving us. Well, you can write anything but is it lawful and enforceable?
Yes. And it doesn't require that the activity be illegal, which is a good thing because of what most of us recognize as abusive may or may not be illegal depending on which legal professional is interpreting the law, which law they're interpreting, and what jurisidction(s) apply. I fired an 11-year customer in under an hour when I discovered them spamming via one of the numerous spammers-for-hire out there. This activity had nothing to do with the services I was providing them, but it fell under the provision that said (abbreviating liberally from the legalese) "if you spam from anywhere, you're toast". I didn't like doing it to a longtime customer, particularly because they happened to be my biggest customer, but I did...because it was the right thing to do, and because I had made it crystal-clear to them when they signed on that I would do it without hesitation. I expect the same from everyone else. If I can do it without the budgets, staff, and legal departments that so many far larger operations enjoy, then so can they. It's just a question of whether or not they recognize their ethical, professional obligation to the rest of the Internet and are willing to put that ahead of profit. ---rsk
Current thread:
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks, (continued)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Rich Kulawiec (Jul 29)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks J. Oquendo (Jul 29)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Hugo Slabbert (Jul 29)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 29)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks bzs (Jul 29)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Owen DeLong (Jul 30)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks bzs (Jul 30)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Baldur Norddahl (Jul 30)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Randy Bush (Jul 30)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Owen DeLong (Jul 30)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks Rich Kulawiec (Jul 31)
- Re: Cloudflare, dirty networks and politricks bzs (Jul 31)
- RE: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) bzs (Jul 28)
- Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) Saku Ytti (Jul 29)
- Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) Randy Bush (Jul 29)
- RE: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) Naslund, Steve (Jul 29)
- Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) J. Oquendo (Jul 29)
- Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) Roland Dobbins (Jul 29)
- Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) Rich Kulawiec (Jul 29)
- Re: EVERYTHING about Booters (and CloudFlare) Rich Kulawiec (Jul 28)