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Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs
From: Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 21:44:23 -0400
On Apr 19, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Jean-Francois Mezei <jfmezei_nanog () vaxination ca> wrote: As part of the ongoing CRTC hearings, the incumbents' claim that continued implementation of the current 5/1 standard would make Canada a world leader for broadband in the future. A satellite company who currently can't even deliver its advertised 5/1 now brags its next satellite will deliver 25/1. So I have a few questions: Considering a single download TCP connection. I am aware that modern TCP stacks will rationalize ACKs and send 1 ACK for every x packets received, thus reducing upload bandwidth requirements. Is this basically widespread and assumed that everyone has that ? Also, as you split available bandwidth between multiple streams, won't ack upload requirements increase because ACK rationalisation happens far less often sicne each TCP connection has its own context for ACKs?
There’s a lot of dynamics here, including how long lived the TCP session is, the windowing behavior of the host/servers and any acceleration done in the path. There is also TCP Selective ACK which means you don’t need to explicitly ACK each frame. I’m not specifically knowledgeable about how this performs with earth to orbit and back dynamics, and hope to never personally need to debug it :) I have used satellite based internet over the atlantic ocean before and it didn’t seem that bad aside from the pricing involved. I would expect that if all endpoints are doing the right TCP options you will see reasonable performance. Make sure nobody is masking the window scaling options and such. (I have heard some carriers do this to prevent the window from getting too large). - Jared
Current thread:
- Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Jean-Francois Mezei (Apr 19)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Jared Mauch (Apr 19)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Eric Kuhnke (Apr 19)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs joel jaeggli (Apr 19)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Eric Kuhnke (Apr 19)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Leo Bicknell (Apr 20)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Jean-Francois Mezei (Apr 20)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Lee (Apr 20)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Tony Finch (Apr 20)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Eygene Ryabinkin (Apr 21)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Chris Welti (Apr 24)
- Re: Latency, TCP ACKs and upload needs Lee (Apr 20)
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