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Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 12:28:25 -0700
On Apr 15, 2016, at 12:09, Mark Andrews <marka () isc org> wrote: In message <571105A6.3040607 () nvcube net>, Nikolay Shopik writes:On 15/04/16 17:51, John R. Levine wrote: Putting mobiles into a handful of non-geographic codes as they do in Europe wouldn't work because the US is a very large country, long distance costs and charges were important, and they needed to be able to charge more for a mobile call across the country than across the street.I would like to add that Russian mobiles in non-geographic codes and have free incoming calls (it wasn't until 2006) and also very large territory. But that created internal roaming prices within country. So if you are making call not from your home region you'll pay more also you may pay for incoming call too (unless you pay for such option to make your abroad incoming calls free)Australia is about the area as the US and has always had caller pays and seperate area codes for mobiles. Call costs are independent of the mobiles location unless you are OS where the callee picks up the OS component of the voice call (incoming SMS's are usually free even if you are OS, they slug you with replies however).
AU has about the same area, but nowhere near the number/population density, so the comparison isn't particularly apt.
I've also got a US SIM and had my credit run to zero dollars with the phone turned off due to the sillyness of the US system. No calls or SMS being delivered but I'm still getting charged.
If you are going prepaid in the US, most likely you are transient (foreign traveler) or impoverished. As such, the companies want to collect something from you for the cost of keeping your account in the system. It's a way to avoid the costs associated with number abandonment. Usually within three months (or less) of your account going to $0, your number will be recycled and likely reissued to someone else within 60 days of being marked available. It's not so much silliness as a necessity in this market. Owen
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- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Larry Sheldon (Apr 14)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences John Levine (Apr 14)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 14)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. (Apr 14)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences tim () pelican org (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences John R. Levine (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences tim () pelican org (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Nikolay Shopik (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Mark Andrews (Apr 15)
- Re: [lists] Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Peter Beckman (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences David Barak via NANOG (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Mark Andrews (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Jean-Francois Mezei (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Baldur Norddahl (Apr 17)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences John Levine (Apr 15)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 20)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Jean-Francois Mezei (Apr 20)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 20)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Larry Sheldon (Apr 26)
- Re: phone fun, was GeoIP database issues and the real world consequences Owen DeLong (Apr 26)