Re: WiFI on utility poles

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

It's either Mike, Comcast or the NANOG list, so it's probably a safe bet.


Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Livingood, Jason <
Jason_Livingood () cable comcast com> wrote:

> Odd - I got the email fine. The bound message you got also is in French,
> which would not seem like something our email servers would do. Are you
> sure that was from our servers? I¹d love to see the mail headers so I can
> talk to the enterprise mail team.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> On 9/10/15, 1:37 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Mike Lyon"
> <nanog-bounces () nanog org on behalf of mike.lyon () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Really Comcast? Your spam software SUCKS ASS!
> >
> > For those interested, the word that violated their spam software was
> > "damn"
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> >
> > This email has violated the PROFANITY.
> > and Pass has been taken on 9/10/2015 1:34:19 PM.
> > Message details:
> > Server: BUPMEXCASHUB2
> > Sender: mike.lyon () gmail com;
> > Recipient:
> > nanog () ics-il net;Corey_Petrulich () cable comcast com;
> > Ken_Falkenstein () cable comcast com;nanog () nanog org;
> > Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles
> >
> >
> > The information in this message, including in all attachments, is
> > confidential or privileged. In the event you have received this message in
> > error
> > and are not the intended recipient, you are hereby advised that any use,
> > copying
> > or reproduction of this document is strictly forbidden. Please notify
> > immediately the sender of this error and destroy this message, including
> > its
> > attachments, as the case may be.
> > </P>
> > L'information apparaissant dans ce message electronique et dans les
> > documents
> > qui y sont joints est de nature confidentielle ou privilegiee. Si ce
> > message
> > vous est parvenu par erreur et que vous n'en etes pas le destinataire
> > vise,
> > vous
> > etes par les presentes avise que toute utilisation, copie ou distribution
> > de ce
> > message est strictement interdite. Vous etes donc prie d¹en informer
> > immediatement l¹expediteur et de detruire ce message, ainsi que les
> > documents
> > qui y sont joints, le cas echeant.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Mike Lyon <mike.lyon () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> > > A few dozen? Damn, you are lucy, Mike!
> > >
> > > I did an install the other day, a good 60-70 XfinityWifi SSIDs popped
> > > up.
> > >
> > > Reminds me of the Good 'Ole CB days back in the 80's where everyone
> > > talked
> > > over each other and played background music and such...
> > >
> > > That's a big 10-4 and I got a Smokey on my trail!
> > >
> > > -Mike
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>
> wrote:
> > > > The tower-deployed AP can see the cable wireless APs for miles and can
> > > > see a few dozen of them at any one time. Given the goal of full
> > > > modulation
> > > > at all times for optimal use of spectrum and dollars, the ever
> > > > increasing
> > > > noise from the cable APs makes this a challenge. You need 25 to 30 dB
> > > > to
> > > > maintain full modulation and that's increasingly difficult when you
> > > > hear
> > > > cable APs everywhere at -70.
> > > >
> > > > The APs can't have narrow radiation patterns given that they need to
> > > > cover a roughly 90* area of where the customers are. An 18 to 20 dB
> > > > gain
> > > > sector antenna will pick up those cable radios from pretty far away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Midwest Internet Exchange
> > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >
> > > > From: "Scott Helms" <khelms () zcorum com>
> > > > To: "Jared Mauch" <jared () puck nether net>
> > > > Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>, "Corey Petrulich" <
> > > > Corey_Petrulich () cable comcast com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <
> > > > Ken_Falkenstein () cable comcast com>, "NANOG mailing list"
> > > > <nanog () nanog org
> > > > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:00:41 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This sounds like a hypothetical complaint, AFAIK none of the members of
> > > > the CableWiFi consortium are deploying APs outside of their footprint.
> > > > Since most of the APs use a cable modem for their backhaul it's not
> > > > really
> > > > feasible to be without at least one broadband option (the cable MSO)
> > > > and be
> > > > impaired by the CableWiFi APs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now, there is one potential exception to this I'm aware of which is
> > > > Comcast's Xfinity on Campus service, but I'd expect the number of
> > > > colleges
> > > > they're servicing that aren't already getting cable broadband service
> > > > to
> > > > approach zero.
> http://www.philly.com/philly/business/20150909_Comcast_streams_onto_coll
> > > > ege_campuses.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://xfinityoncampus.com/login
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Having said all of that, I'd agree that a good radio resource
> > > > management
> > > > approach would benefit all of us, including the CableWiFi guys.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cablelabs.com/wi-fi-radio-resource-management-rrm/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Helms
> > > > Vice President of Technology
> > > > ZCorum
> > > > (678) 507-5000
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > > http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
> > > > --------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Jared Mauch < jared () puck nether net
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett < nanog () ics-il net >
> wrote:
> > > > > 5 GHz noise levels affecting people whose primary means of Internet
> > > > access is via fixed wireless .
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is a huge deal for those people like myself that depend on fixed
> > > > wireless for access at home because there is no broadband available
> > > > despite
> > > > incentives given by cities and states and the federal government.
> > > >
> > > > The local WISPs are good at coordinating access in these ISM bands
> > > > amongst themselves but when someone appears with a SSID without doing a
> > > > peek at the spectrum (note: not a site survey, but actual spectrum
> > > > view w/
> > > > waterfall, as site survey only checks for the channel width that the
> > > > client
> > > > radio is configured for, not al the 10, 15, 8, 30mhz wide variants).
> > > >
> > > > It¹s just poor practice to show up and break something else because you
> > > > can¹t be bothered to notice the interference or noise floor you
> > > > created. I
> > > > suspect the hardware that Comcast is using doesn¹t notice this
> > > > interference
> > > > or adjacent channel issues. With the FCC aiming to let cell carriers
> > > > also
> > > > clog the 5ghz ISM band it¹s only going to get worse.
> > > >
> > > > - Jared
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike Lyon
> > > 408-621-4826
> > > mike.lyon () gmail com
> > >
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mike Lyon
> > 408-621-4826
> > mike.lyon () gmail com
> >
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon