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Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted
From: Nick B <nick () pelagiris org>
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 13:15:48 -0400
Having worked for several departments like this, I can assure you her flustsration was not about her "inability to hire competent people" or "the lack of her superiors to prioritize the modernization project". Unless you have worked for the Federal Government it's almost impossible to understand the mindset - Politics is job #1, Office Politics is job #2, "doing your job" is not a priority. The issue here was 100% looking bad - the worst possible offense a political appointee can commit. Firing this one person is pointless, she's one of 1,000,000 clones, not a one should be employed. I wish I had some simple solution, but I don't, it's going to require years, probably decades, of hard work by a motivated and skilled team. Also, a stable of unicorns. Nick On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Cryptographrix <cryptographrix () gmail com> wrote:
Have to agree with Shawn on this. If you watch her testimony in front of Congress, it is clear that she was completely flustered at the inability to hire competent people, and the lack of her superiors to prioritize the modernization project she had so passionately advocated for. When I've worked for organizations larger than - say - four or five office locations in diverse parts of the U.S., I've started to see how difficult it can become to get all of them to coordinate on *anything*, and I'm not even talking government here. From the sound of it, she ran into the ceiling of available workers that were willing to work for the pay grade that the government offers for those positions, which is usually much less than private industry offers and - as a consequence - they are not nearly as familiar with migrations of that size. I do not envy her position, and doubt in the ability of anyone in her position to do more than she has attempted. Give her some credit. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:02 AM shawn wilson <ag4ve.us () gmail com> wrote:On Jun 17, 2015 8:56 PM, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg () tristatelogic com> wrote:*) The Director of the Office of Personnel Management, Ms.KatherineArchueta was warned, repeatedly, and over several years, by her own department's Inspector General (IG) that many of OPM'ssystemswere insecure and should be taken out of service. Nontheless,asreveled during congressional testimony yesterday, she overruled and ignored this advice and kept the systems online. Given the above facts, I've just started a new Whitehouse Petition,askingthat the director of OPM, Ms. Archueta, be fired for grossincompetence.I _do_ understand that the likelihood of anyone ever getting fired for incompetence anywhere within the Washington D.C. Beltway is very muchofa long shot, based on history, but I nontheless feel that as a U.S. citizen and taxpayer, I at least want to make my opinion of this matter known to The Powers That Be.Idk whether she was wrong or not. They were running "COBOL" systems - I'm guessing AS/400 (maybe even "newer" zSeries) which are probablysupportingsome db2 apps. They also mention this is on a flat network. So stoppingthehack once it was found was probably real interesting (I'm kinda impressed they minimized downtime as much as they did really). I'm ok saying they were incompetent but not too sure you can do *this*muchto mess up a network in <2 years (her tenure). I'd actually be interested in a discussion of how much you can possibly improve / degrade on anetworkthat big from a management position. If the argument is that she should've shut down the network or parts ofit- I wonder if anyone of you who run Internet providers would even shutdownyour email or web servers when, say, heartbleed came out - those services aren't even a main part of your business. One could argue that itwould'vebeen illegal for her to shut some of that stuff down without an act of Congress. I'm not saying you're dead wrong. Just that I don't have enoughinformationto say you're right (and if you are, she's probably not the only head you should call for).
Current thread:
- OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Ronald F. Guilmette (Jun 17)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Harry Hoffman (Jun 17)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Tyler Mills (Jun 17)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Ronald F. Guilmette (Jun 17)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted shawn wilson (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Cryptographrix (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Nick B (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted shawn wilson (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Stephen Satchell (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Damian Menscher via NANOG (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Cryptographrix (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Ronald F. Guilmette (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted mikea (Jun 18)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Stepan Kucherenko (Jun 18)
- RE: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Naslund, Steve (Jun 19)
- RE: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Darden, Patrick (Jun 19)
- Re: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Jim Popovitch (Jun 19)
- RE: OPM Data Breach - Whitehouse Petition - Help Wanted Naslund, Steve (Jun 19)