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Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
From: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 18:38:31 -0700
We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute. On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog () cdl asgaard org> wrote:
On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote: On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john () op-sec us> wrote:Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a piece of paper every time!Can you please put these at the back of the line? My experience is that the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual troubleshooting skills. (or my standards of what defines “expert” are different than the rest of the world).Jared, don’t generalize. True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.'t We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how much we tried to train on the architecture. Eventually in one backbone event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router because "traceroute worked." When it was pointed out that the potential fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look. We then asked him to explain how traceroute worked. He spectacularly failed. It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question. What was boggling was the number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics. My test, as crass as it is. If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience. If it's a footnote somewhere, that's ok. Christopher— CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17 (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)-- 李柯睿 Avt tace, avt loqvere meliora silentio Check my PGP key here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.asc Current vCard here: http://www.asgaard.org/cdl/cdl.vcf keybase: https://keybase.io/liljenstolpe
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- Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Mehmet Akcin (Jun 05)
- Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Jared Mauch (Jun 05)
- Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Łukasz Bromirski (Jun 05)
- Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... John Fraizer (Jun 05)
- Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Randy via NANOG (Jun 06)
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- Re: eBay is looking for network heavies... Łukasz Bromirski (Jun 05)
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