Re: A translation (was Re: An update from the ICANN ISPCP meeting...)

[Eric Brunner-Williams <brunner () nic-naa net>]

On 10/26/14 9:25 PM, Barry Shein wrote:
> I think one missing or weak component are those who actually make this
> stuff work vs the pie-in-the-sky infringer/volume/policy crowd.
>
> I've sat in IPC meetings and suffice it to say there isn't much clue
> on that front and why should there be unless the go-fast/go-always
> crowd shows up?

they're trademark lawyers. they'll know about pokey, but not much else, 
and they may not be able to articulate why infringement as a risk exists 
at the first and second levels, but not so much further down the tree.

> Sure it does tend to creep in as proposed policies escape and get the
> attention of the doers but the danger is by that time the
> infringer/volume crowd might be quite committed to their vision: Make
> PI=3.0 and full steam ahead.

as i mentioned, policy originates in the gnso. by the time it is 
"available" for those not having a vote in the gnso council the policy 
is generally baked in, so pi is three.
> What's also often lacking is simply administrative and management
> insight but that's not particularly germaine to this group.

icann's administration and mangement of constituencies is "light", and 
those playing the long game (generally those lobbyists with clients and 
more than 20 meetings of time-on-target) know that process, budget and 
agenda control is where the game is won or lost. as for getting 
operational clue, other than that of the registries, to where pi is 
defined as an integer, well, that simply revisits david's point that the 
ops people are broadly a no-show, and most that do show bath ritually 
when outside of their silos.
> But I did get into a minor shouting match with an IP lawyer last week
> in LA who just didn't understand why service providers won't drop
> everything we're doing to rush through their discovery needs, for
> free, without indemnification (or similar), or jurisdicational
> authority, on an as-needed basis.

who? i may know him or her -- i had to work with the ipc to protect 
tribal names -- over the objections of milton meuller and robin gross 
and so on who think tribes are evil trademark holders -- and shouting 
may not be the only means of communicating effectively.

-e