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Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB)
From: Danny McPherson <danny () tcb net>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 09:07:35 -0600
On 2014-10-25 08:25, John Curran wrote:
With respect to IRR support, the same answer applies. If the communityis clear on direction, ARIN can strengthen the current IRR offerings, phase them out and redirect folks to existing solutions, or any otherdirection as desired. The hardest part is getting a common view in thecommunity on the desired approach; this leads to the strong adoptionthat is necessary for these types of systems to have meaningful benefit.
I didn't necessarily intend to fault ARIN here, some very vocal folks have pushed ARIN (and others) pretty hard on focusing considerable resources on experimental systems (RPKI [/BGPSEC]) that may never see broad-scale adoption and use, for an array of technical, business, and geopolitical reasons. I could be wrong.
As an ARIN and community member, I'd prefer to see more work on nearer term solutions and better leveraging existing systems that we're already captive to and will still need in the future (e.g., IRR hygiene work and more security rails, tool sets, training for operators, perhaps in-addr.arpa or other techniques to validate resource holders, etc..). If orthodox visions materialize that provide utility and a reasonable ROI without introducing excess risk and overhead and complexity and undue external dependencies for the folks that would be captive to those new systems, then great.
I continue to believe that the only way any resource certification system is going to realize adoption is by taking this incremental approach of fortifying existing systems and supplying sufficient operational buffers, and that the easiest way to stunt deployment and adoption of RPKI is to slam it directly into the routing system and compromise current autonomy in routing operations that exists and makes the Internet resilient.
Thanks for that response, John. -danny
Current thread:
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB), (continued)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Christopher Morrow (Oct 23)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Danny McPherson (Oct 23)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) John Sweeting (Oct 24)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Christopher Morrow (Oct 24)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Baldur Norddahl (Oct 24)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Sandra Murphy (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Danny McPherson (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Danny McPherson (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Bill Woodcock (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) John Curran (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Danny McPherson (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Randy Bush (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Ca By (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) John Curran (Oct 25)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Randy Bush (Oct 26)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) John Curran (Oct 26)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Dmitry Burkov (Oct 26)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Dmitry Burkov (Oct 26)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Randy Bush (Oct 26)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) John Curran (Oct 27)
- Re: ARIN / RIR Pragmatism (WAS: Re: RADB) Sandra Murphy (Oct 23)