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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
From: Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net>
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:08:34 -0400
Hey... how about not using selective editing to change the thread of discussion (see below)
Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:35 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman () meetinghouse net> wrote:Re. NTP: Timekeeping is rather essential in lots of applications - like, for example, transit operations, where I currently spend my work life. An accurate, accessible central clock tends to be a rather important system component. And we're talking concerns in the range of seconds. When you start getting into serious real-time systems (laboratory instrumentation, utility operations, warfighting, ....) - yeah, NTP servers start getting really interesting, to a lot of people.As I've already said a couple of times, systemd does not force a particular NTP implementation on you. It comes with one (timedated), and has a utility to manage it (timedatectl) but the admin can install and use a different one if they like. The only thing that has changed recently with respect to that is that timedatectl can no longer be used to manage chronyd or ntpd.
What you snipped out of the message was YOUR previous statement, to which I was responding:
systemd is a tool designed to get the system to a state where "real work" can be done. NTP servers, DHCP clients, consoles, aren't the real work of a system, or at least I hope not, because that would beboring to me.
If you're going to simply keep repeating "I like systemd, everything is copacetic" - maybe you should take your fanboy attitude elsewhere, and let those of us concerned with operational impacts have a meaningful conversation here. And maybe, you should check out some of the upstream bug reports re. systemd interactions with NTP.
Plonk. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
Current thread:
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch, (continued)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch George Herbert (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Rich Kulawiec (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Israel G. Lugo (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeffrey Ollie (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Joe Loiacono (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Chris Adams (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jay Ashworth (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Simon Lyall (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Doug Barton (Oct 23)