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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)
From: Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net>
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 12:01:34 -0400
On May 15, 2014, at 11:50 AM, McElearney, Kevin <Kevin_McElearney () cable comcast com> wrote:
There is no gaming on measurements and disputes are isolated and temporary with issues not unique over the history of the internet. I think all the same rhetorical quotes continue to be reused
Kevin, in the past most issues were transient for a few months as both sides got complaints, but while at RIPE earlier this week someone commented to me: there's no one provider you can buy access from to get a packet-loss free connection to all their other business partners/customers. This hurts the entire marketplace when there is persistent congestion. Some of these issues are related to (as Craig called them) "Hypergiants" (OTT) but others are due to providers having poor capital models so they don't have "budget" for upgrading unless someone pays for that upgrade, vs seeing their existing customer base as that source for the capital. As an engineer, I'm hopeful that those responsible for budgeting will do the right thing. As a greedy capitalist, please pay me more $$$. It does feel a bit like tic-tac-toe with zero players in wargames though, the only way to win is to not play [games]. - Jared
Current thread:
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality, (continued)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality McElearney, Kevin (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Jared Mauch (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Jean-Francois Mezei (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality McElearney, Kevin (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Scott Berkman (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) McElearney, Kevin (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Jared Mauch (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) McElearney, Kevin (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Blake Dunlap (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Joe Greco (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) arvindersingh (May 15)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Livingood, Jason (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Vinny Abello (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Christopher Morrow (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Livingood, Jason (May 16)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) bas (May 18)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Joe Greco (May 15)