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Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 07:55:59 -0700
On May 12, 2014, at 7:41 AM, George, Wes <wesley.george () twcable com> wrote:
On 5/12/14, 10:07 AM, "Owen DeLong" <owen () delong com> wrote:On May 12, 2014, at 6:02 AM, Nick Hilliard <nick () foobar org> wrote:On 10/05/2014 22:34, Randy Bush wrote:imiho think vi hart has it down simply and understandable by a lay person. <http://vihart.com/net-neutrality-in-the-us-now-what/>. my friends in last mile providers disagree. i take that as a good sign.Vi's analogy is wrong on a subtle but important point. In the analogy, the delivery company needs to get a bunch of new trucks to handle the delivery but as the customer is paying for each delivery instances, the delivery company's costs are covered by increased end-user charges.Two words nuke your suggestion here: Amazon PrimeAmazon Prime isn’t a flat-rate delivery service for the delivery company, else it’d be called FedUPS Prime. It’s a flat rate shipping subscription for *Amazon*, and is likely a loss leader to ensure better stickiness of Amazon’s potential customers. They may have a great deal of negotiating leverage on their delivery partners to reduce their shipping costs, and the sheer volume of Amazon warehouses mean that they can take advantage of proximity to reduce costs further (like a CDN), but I haven’t seen anything implying that they’ve been successful in negotiating a contract that is insensitive to the *amount* of items being shipped.
Who cares? It’s insensitive from the end-customer perspective. Same as what I pay to Comcast is insensitive to my usage. Amazon hasn’t negotiated insensitive pricing with their shipping companies, just as Comcast hasn’t negotiated insensitive pricing for infrastructure upgrades. Seems to me that the analogy holds. Owen
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- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3), (continued)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) Barry Shein (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Valdis . Kletnieks (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Nick B (May 12)
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- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Clayton Zekelman (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Nick B (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality joel jaeggli (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Clayton Zekelman (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality George, Wes (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Owen DeLong (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Livingood, Jason (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Randy Bush (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Doug Barton (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Barry Shein (May 12)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Daniel Staal (May 13)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Jean-Francois Mezei (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Mark Tinka (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality charles (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Daniel Staal (May 14)
- Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality Hugo Slabbert (May 14)