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Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion
From: joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:47:49 -0700
On 6/18/14, 1:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
However, I also don't think consumer education is the answer: http://www.wleecoyote.com/blog/consumeraction.htm Summary: Until it is perfectly clear why a consumer needs IPv6, and what they need to do about it, consumer education will only cause fear and frustration, which will not be helpful. This is a technology problem, not a feature problem, and consumers shouldn't have to select which Internet to be on. LeeShort of consumer education, how do you expect to resolve the issue where $CONSUMER walks into $BIG_BOX_CE_STORE and says "I need a router, what's the cheapest one you have?"
The $39.95 dlink on the endcap at frys and the $140 one with 802.11ac beam forming atennas and gig-e run the same v6 stack...
Whereupon $TEENAGER_MAKING_MINIMUM_WAGE who likely doesn't know DOCSIS 2 from DOCSIS 3, has no idea what IP actually is, and thinks that Data is an android from Star Trek says "Here, this Linksys thing is only $30."
the software stack isn't the source of price discrimination.
Unless/until we either get the stores to pull the IPv4-only stuff off their shelves or educate consumers, the continued deployment of additional incapable equipment will be a continuing problem. As bad as the situation is for cablemodems and residential gateways, at least there, an educated consumer can make a good choice. Now, consider DVRs, BluRay players, Receiver/Amplifiers, Televisions, etc. where there are, currently, no IPv6 capable choices available to the best of my knowledge.
this stuff ages out of the network or doesn't require ipv4 for the entirety of it's useful service life. turns out for example that smart-tv's generally aren't (smart). Your appletv does support v6 as do many of those android sticks even if they're sufficiently inexpensive enough to be disposable.
Owen
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- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion, (continued)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Barry Shein (Jun 18)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Owen DeLong (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Barry Shein (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Christopher Morrow (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Barry Shein (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Owen DeLong (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Barry Shein (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Valdis . Kletnieks (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Owen DeLong (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion joel jaeggli (Jun 18)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Matthew Kaufman (Jun 18)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Jay Ashworth (Jun 20)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion John Levine (Jun 20)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion George, Wes (Jun 18)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Karl Auer (Jun 18)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Lee Howard (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Mark Tinka (Jun 18)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Owen DeLong (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Lee Howard (Jun 19)
- Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion Brian Hartsfield (Jun 19)