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Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix


From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 22:32:13 -0400 (EDT)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Glass" <nanog () brettglass com>

Note that I misunderstood you to be the Verizon blog poster I started 
this thread commenting on.  My apology for that in a separate post,
but here are some replies that amount to "you are standing on the
same rock in the river they are".  :-)

My customers do not want me to "creatively" find ways to extract
additional money from them so as to cover expenses that Netflix
should be covering. Nor do they want me to subsidize Netflix
subscribers from the fees from non-Netflix subscribers. They
want to pay a fair price for their Internet that does not include
paying ransom to third parties.

Characterizing it as "ransom" and "expenses Netflix should be covering"
is, alas, largely in doubt, from the responses I've seen here; it's 
assuming facts not in evidence.

We currently provide that: we guarantee each subscriber a certain
minimum capacity to the Internet exchange at 1850 Pearl Street
in Denver (to which Netflix does not directly connect) with a certain
maximum duty cycle. But we can't guarantee the performance of a specific
third party service such as Netflix. If Netflix wants us to do that,
it is going to have to pay us, as it pays Comcast. That's only fair,
because we would be doing something special just for it -- something
which costs money.

It's not Netflix who expects you to deliver that quality.

It's your customers.  Who pay you for it.

If they're not paying you enough, well... who set those prices?  
Netflix?

If Netflix tries to use its market power to harm ISPs, or to smear
us via nasty on-screen messages as it has been smearing Verizon, ISPs
have no choice but to react. One way we could do this -- and I'm strongly
considering it -- is to start up a competing streaming service that
IS friendly to ISPs. It would use the minimum possible amount of
bandwidth, make proper use of caching, and -- most importantly --
actually PAY Internet service providers, instead of sapping their
resources, by allowing them to sell it and keep a portion of the fee.
This would provide an automatic, direct, per-customer reimbursement
to the ISP for the cost of bandwidth. ISPs would sign on so fast
that such a service could BURY Netflix in short order.

Alas, content providers probably would not. 

But good luck with that.

Cheers,
-- jra
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