Re: Managing IOS Configuration Snippets

[Ryan Shea <ryanshea () google com>]

Keegan, don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that even if version
numbers were happily encoded in robust comments that this would be the same
as actually digesting the configuration. If the function of checking using
'fancy versioning' is not an operational best practice, what do you suggest
(all-knowing/singing/dancing tool which understands the configuration and
your intent aside)? You say IF NTP or CPP were configured differently -
with a large enough network there will always be configurations which have
differences. With that as an operational constant, how do you determine
which devices have the latest iteration of your line vty configuration.

How often will a change not be rolled out to every router. This is again
related to the size and churn of the network, but my practical estimation
is that once you get into thousands of routers there will almost always be
some that get missed. Comprehensive auditing is very important, and
arguably more useful than version checking - but it requires that you make
knowledgeable and complete assertions. I assert the my snmp config should
look like the snmp snippet version 77 is easier to grok than "make sure our
community string is not set to public" (and repeat hand-crafted audit logic
for every segment of the config).

What if some of the configs don't match the defined versions? This is why
it may make sense to break snippets into functional areas. "Just fix it"
might be sane for a banner, but squashing an interface mtu change that was
put there for a reason could end in tears. I consider this bit out of the
scope of the question, but yes it is another important problem.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:03 PM, Christopher Morrow <
morrowc.lists () gmail com> wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Keegan Holley <no.spam () comcast net>
> wrote:
> > Putting aside the fact that snippets aren't a good way to conceptualize
> deployed router code, my gut still tells me to question the question here.
>  The first is does this stuff change often enough to warrant a fancy
> versioning solution?  I have yet to see NTP deployed in a different way
> than when I first learned to configure it.  Next, when it does change how
> often is it not rolled out to every router.  If NTP or CPP or SNMP or some
> other administrative option were configured differently across my
>
> sure, so you're saying that a large bit (maybe) of the router config
> is 'one size fits all' and 'never changes' where 'never' is really
> 'very infrequently'.
>
> sure, agreed... but there are parts of the config that do change more
> frequently (depending on the network perhaps)... how do you go about
> seeing which version / setup is deployed EXCEPT by building a
> home-grown 'config parser' and seeing that 'what is deployed matches
> mostly what I have in my config store for this
> router/class-of-router/network' ?
>
> It's a shame that vendors of network equipment don't have to manage
> large networks of their own equipment under constrained opex
> environments (no fair comparing contracted work where you bill for
> time + materials, that's the wrong incentive set)... I bet that'd get
> them to fix stuff up right quick.
>
> network I would want to audit it and fix not version control.  What if
> some of the configs don't match the defined versions?  It may be
> better to create standard templates and version them in SVN or GIT and
> then use config backups to track which devices have the standard
> configs.  There are some for pay tools that can search for certain
> statements on various boxes and either alert or remediate when
> differences are found.
> > On Feb 26, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Ryan Shea <ryanshea () google com> wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy network operator cognoscenti,
> > >
> > > I'd love to hear your creative and workable solutions for a way to track
> > > in-line the configuration revisions you have on your cisco-like devices.
> > > Let me clearify/frame:
> > >
> > > You have a set of tested/approved configurations for your routers which
> use
> > > IOS style configuration. These configurations of course are always
> refined
> > > and updated. You break these pieces of configuration into logical
> sections,
> > > for example a configuration file for NTP configuration, a file for
> control
> > > plane filter and store these in some revision control system. Put aside
> for
> > > the moment whether this is a reasonable way to comprehend deployed
> > > configurations. What methods do some of you use to know which version
> of a
> > > configuration you have deployed to a given router for auditing and
> update
> > > purposes? Remarks are a convenient way to do this for ACLs - but I don't
> > > have similar mechanics for top level configurations. About a decade ago
> I
> > > thought I'd be super clever and encode versioning information into the
> snmp
> > > location - but that is just awful and there is a much better way
> everyone
> > > is using, right? Flexible commenting on other vendors/platforms make
> this a
> > > bit easier.
> > >
> > > Assume that this version encoding perfectly captures what is on the
> router
> > > and that no person is monkeying with the config... version 77 of the
> > > control plane filter is the same everywhere.