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Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2014 17:05:03 -0700
On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Rick Astley <jnanog () gmail com> wrote:
How is this *not* Comcast's problem? If my users are requesting moretraffic than I banked on, how is it not my responsibility to ensure I have capacity to handle that? I have gear; you have gear. I upgrade or add ports on my side; you upgrade or add ports on your side. Am I missing something? Sort of yes, it's Comcasts problem to upgrade subscriber lines but if that point of congestion is the links between Netflix and Comcast then Netflix would be on the hook to ensure they have enough capacity to Comcast to get the data at least gets TO the Comcast network. The argument at hand is if Comcast permitted to charge them for the links to get to their network or should they be free/settlement free. I think it should be OK to charge for those links as long as its a fair market rate and the price doesn't basically amount to extortion. Sadly the numbers are not public so I couldn't tell you one way or the other aside from I disagree with the position Netflix seems to be taking that they simply must be free. Once that traffic is given directly to comcast no other party receives payment for delivering it so there is no double billing.
Beyond that, there’s a more subtle argument also going on about whether $EYEBALL_PROVIDER can provide favorable network access to $CONTENT_A and less favorable network access to $CONTENT_B as a method for encouraging subscribers to select $CONTENT_A over $CONTENT_B by affecting the relative performance. This becomes much stickier when you face the reality that in many places, $EYEBALL_PROVIDER has an effective monopoly as the only player choosing to offer services at a useful level of bandwidth/etc. (If that). Owen
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Rick Astley (Apr 27)
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Jay Ashworth (Apr 27)
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Jack Bates (Apr 28)
- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Lamar Owen (Apr 28)
- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Miles Fidelman (Apr 28)
- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Hugo Slabbert (Apr 28)
- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Jean-Francois Mezei (Apr 28)
- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Owen DeLong (Apr 27)
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Rick Astley (Apr 27)
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Phil Bedard (Apr 28)
- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Jack Bates (Apr 28)
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they couldenshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Hugo Slabbert (Apr 28)
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- Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post Niels Bakker (Apr 28)