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Re: iOS 7 update traffic
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 21:29:10 +0000
So you understand things aren't always metro e.. That's what I was trying to say. I still have a coupler.. ;) Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: Fred Reimer <freimer () freimer org> Date: 09/19/2013 2:14 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>,Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se>,Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster () mykolab com>,NANOG <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic Actually, I started out with a 300 baud acoustic modem. You know, the kind where you take the handset and jam it into two cups? But I digress… From: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com<mailto:wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>> Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com<mailto:wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>> Date: Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:00 PM To: Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>> Cc: Fred Reimer <freimer () freimer org<mailto:freimer () freimer org>>, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se<mailto:swmike () swm pp se>>, Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster () mykolab com<mailto:fergdawgster () mykolab com>>, NANOG <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>> Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic I'm willing and open to hear anyone who has successfully had that conversation with their users. When network congestion occurs, we typically see a mass exodus from whatever website was being used to Speedtest.. You know.. Just to make sure the internets are fast. I'm trying to highlight a point that not all of us have studly 1gbps connections to Akamai. Some of us have to move data into orbit and back.. Some of us are not like the rest of you. These types of situations should not happen in general.. We live in the future. This is like sending a bulk fax to every user on a switch, and when the other users get busy signals I somehow need to realign my view of reality. A single Internet point or software update should not cause all of this discussion. You guys are collectively posting hundreds of gbps for basically a single software update, and comparing it to point releases from vendors. Why do I feel like many of you are spoiled with all of this cheap and fast bandwidth? Do you guys not remember your 9600bps modem? Many of you would have suffered heart failure if I sent you a 100mb file only 10 years ago. Keep that in mind.. Not everyone has their Internet coming off the end of an sfp. Sent from my Mobile Device. -------- Original message -------- From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu<mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> Date: 09/19/2013 1:42 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com<mailto:wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>> Cc: Fred Reimer <freimer () freimer org<mailto:freimer () freimer org>>,Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike () swm pp se<mailto:swmike () swm pp se>>,Paul Ferguson <fergdawgster () mykolab com<mailto:fergdawgster () mykolab com>>,NANOG <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>> Subject: Re: iOS 7 update traffic On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:18:29 -0000, Warren Bailey said: Reversing a few paragraphs to make a point.
We strive to provide a great customer experience, and when "Hardware Maker X" decides to roll updates .. It can screw us. In this case, can means absolutely will happen.
I mean, would it be THAT hard to enable a bonjour update server on an apple router/computer/whatever and serve things up locally from there? I've had many replies to this email already, and people are talking about upgrading bandwidth and CDN's
So why didn't you?
Things are not created equal amongst internet providers, a transponder (90mbps ish) runs us close to 160k a month and that's not including gear costs, teleport, etc.
And you pay Apple *how* much to guarantee that they don't do things that upset the business model you consciously chose to use? Oh, you don't pay them? And your users pay *you* to ensure that when they hit 'Download', that magical things happen? And iOS downloads are user pulls, not Apple pushes? Sounds to me like you and your users need to have a chat about what they pay for and what their expectations should be.....
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- Re: iOS 7 update traffic, (continued)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Gabriel Blanchard (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Ryan Brooks (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Jethro R Binks (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Fred Reimer (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Warren Bailey (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Fred Reimer (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Warren Bailey (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Warren Bailey (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Fred Reimer (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Warren Bailey (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Jeff Kell (Sep 19)
- RE: iOS 7 update traffic John Souvestre (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Tom Taylor (Sep 20)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Justin M. Streiner (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Cutler James R (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Jared Mauch (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Dorian Kim (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Jared Mauch (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Patrick W. Gilmore (Sep 19)
- Re: iOS 7 update traffic Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 19)