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Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic
From: Phil Bedard <bedard.phil () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 14:55:39 -0400
On 11/1/13, 1:08 PM, "Gary Buhrmaster" <gary.buhrmaster () gmail com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:43 AM, Anthony Junk <anthonyrjunk () gmail com> wrote: ...It seems as if both Yahoo and Google assumed that since they were private circuits that they didn't have to encrypt.I actually cannot see them assuming that. Google and Yahoo engineers are smart, and taping fibres has been well known for, well, "forever". I can see them making a business decision that the costs would be excessive to mitigate against taping(*) that would be allowed under the laws in any event. Gary
While smart, most providers make an assumption at least with a piece of dark fiber the only people with access to it are themselves and any providers of the fiber. I don't think that's an unrealistic expectation... Providers who have trenched their own fiber certainly do not encrypt traffic across the network, but their fiber is probably no less susceptible to tapping at certain locations. There have been a number of articles in recent years about how vulnerable the fiber infrastructure is to attacks, tapping, etc. Vaults, manhole locations, etc. are pretty much wide open. Phil
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- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic, (continued)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Jimmy Hess (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Randy Bush (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Jorge Amodio (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Niels Bakker (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic George Herbert (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Gary Buhrmaster (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic David Miller (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic berry (Nov 01)
- Re: latest Snowden docs show NSA intercepts all Google and Yahoo DC-to-DC traffic Mark Foster (Nov 01)