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Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
From: Måns Nilsson <mansaxel () besserwisser org>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 08:51:31 +0200
Subject: Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Date: Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 12:25:35AM -0500 Quoting jamie rishaw (j () arpa com):
<tinfoilhat> Just wait until we find out dark and lit private fiber is getting vampired. </tinfoilhat>
I'm not even assuming it, I'm convinced. In Sweden, we have a law, that makes what NSA/FBI did illegal while at the same time legalising, after some scrutiny, the practice of tapping traffic that passes Sweden and is not both originated by and destined to Swedes. . We're pretty good at selling transit abroad. Eastward. Go figure. Combine that with our NSA buddy, the FRA (http://www.fra.se) actively attempting to hire WDM experience and there is enough circumstantial data that I'm convinced it's being done. Also, what agencies like NSA, GCHQ and FRA have done for ages is listening to a broad spectrum of RF data with their aerials. Moving it into fiber is just keeping pace with the technology. Another historical fact is that the FRA has its roots in a extremely successful wiretapping operation in WW2, where the German teleprinter traffic between Norway (occupied) and Germany was passed on leased lines through western Sweden. Cross-border wiretap. In conclusion; I'm convinced. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 I'm having an emotional outburst!!
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