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Re: Muni fiber: L1 or L2?


From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:48:16 -0800


On Jan 31, 2013, at 19:21 , Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:

Fletcher nailed it, if you want the architecture you're describing then you simply don't want PON.  Its built around 
lower cost and a big part of that lower cost is minimizing the fiber costs by serving splitters (and thus many homes) 
from a single fiber that back hauls to the CO.  The other reason PON won't work for what you want is the splitters 
are passive and completely static in their operation.  Here's an image of one that may make this clearer:

http://media.wholesale-electrical-electronics.com/product/imgage/Electrical&Electronics/2010101220/6dc7c82d59d9fd931bfba560a3e85031.jpg


I know what a splitter is and how they work. I understand PON really quite a bit better than you imagine I do.

Bottom line, you've got OLT -> FIBER(of length n) -> splitter -> fiber-drops to each house -> ONT.

All I'm proposing is making n really short and making "fiber-drops to each house" really long.
I'm not proposing changing the fundamental architecture. Yes, I recognize this changes the economics and may well make 
PON less attractive than other alternatives. I don't care. That's not a primary concern. The question is "can PON be 
made to work in this environment?" It appears to me that it can.

It will work as I've described, but, yes, it's very suboptimal from a cost perspective if your only goal is to deploy 
PON for a single provider.

If, OTOH, your goal is to have a fiber infrastructure in the neighborhoods that can support a multitude of possible 
services of which PON from a number of providers is just one such possible service, then, the PON operators can, in 
fact, install in the MMR and do the splitting at the MMR end of the subscriber fiber with home-runs from the MMR to 
each home.

True, PON is probably not the best technology fit for this. Ethernet probably makes more sense in most cases. However, 
if you have providers that do PON everywhere else and they don't want to support "exception equipment" for your 
facility, then it allows them to install PON just like their other deployments, only the splitter is next to the OLT 
instead of out near a collection of ONTs.

If you have to either run several (or more) fibers to a neighborhood or have managed neighborhood elements then 
you've simply destroyed the use case for PON.  Luckily this use case matches pretty exactly for Ethernet, but you 
must do your wholesale play at layer 2 IMO to work economically.


I disagree.  If you have home-run fiber to a large bank of patch panels in an MMR that can serve a ~8km radius of 
subscribers and providers can colocate whatever L2+ equipment they want to in said MMR with said fibers available for 
lease on equal footing to all providers, then the providers can deploy whatever makes the most sense to them whether 
that's SONET, Ethernet, PON, or optical tin cans over your fiber-string.

Yes, this is more expensive for the fiber deployment than running FTTH from the local BBox and having splitters in the 
BBox, but if it's being done intelligently, especially in areas of greenfield deployment, then it doesn't have to be a 
lot more expensive.

I get roughly 201 Sq. Km. as the area of an 8km radius circle (For the metrically challenged, that's roughly 77 Sq. Mi. 
or an area a little larger than Washington DC (68.3 sq. mi according to wikipedia).

If you're willing to require more expensive optics, you could go to a larger area served to accommodate lower 
population densities and for higher density areas, it might make economic sense to make the service radius smaller and 
have more centers. I don't know what the economically ideal subscriber volume per center would be. That would have to 
be calculated.

Owen


On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:

On Jan 31, 2013, at 13:57 , Fletcher Kittredge <fkittred () gwi net> wrote:




On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
If you have an MMR where all of the customers come together, then you
can cross-connect all of $PROVIDER_1's customers to a splitter provided
by $PROVIDER_1 and cross connect all of $PROVIDER_2's customers to
a splitter provided by $PROVIDER_2, etc.

If the splitter is out in the neighborhood, then $PROVIDER_1 and $PROVIDER_2
and... all need to build out to every neighborhood.

If you have the splitter next to the PON gear instead of next to the subscribers,
then you remove the relevance of the inability to connect a splitter to multiple
OLTs. The splitter becomes the provider interface to the open fiber plant

Owen;

Interesting.   Do you then lose the cost advantage because you need home run fiber back to the MMR?   Do you have 
examples of plants built with this architecture (I know of one such plant, but I am hoping you will turn up more 
examples.)


I don't know of any. Yes, it would eliminate part of the theoretical cost savings of the PON architecture, but the 
point is that it would provide a technology agnostic last mile infrastructure that could easily be used by multiple 
competing providers and would not prevent a provider from using PON if they chose to do so for other reasons.

Owen




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