Re: NANOG Digest, Vol 60, Issue 110

["Brzozowski, John" <John_Brzozowski () Cable Comcast com>]

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From: "nanog-request () nanog org" <nanog-request () nanog org>
Reply-To: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Date: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 5:13 PM
To: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: NANOG Digest, Vol 60, Issue 110

> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:00:22 +1100
> From: Mark Andrews <marka () isc org>
> To: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
> Cc: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: "Programmers can't get IPv6 thus that is why they do not
>       have IPv6 in their applications"....
> Message-ID: <20130130230022.E74BD2E9390C () drugs dv isc org>
>
>
> In message <51099C0F.5040507 () mtcc com>, Michael Thomas writes:
> > On 01/30/2013 01:51 PM, Cutler James R wrote:
> > > On Jan 30, 2013, at 12:43 PM, joel jaeggli <joelja () bogus com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > As a product of having a motorola sb6121 and a netgear wndr3700 both
> > > > of wh
> > ich I bought at frys I have ipv6 in my house with dhcp pd curtesy of
> > commcast
> > . If it was any simpler somebody else would have had to install it.
> > > >
> > > Except that Apple Airport Extreme users must have one of the newer
> > > hardware
> >  versions, that is my experience as well.
> > > And, even before Comcast and new AEBS, Hurricane Electric removed all
> > > other
> >  excuses for claiming "no IPv6".
> > "Remove excuses" != "Create incentive". There are an infinite number of
> > things I can do to "remove excuses". Unless they're in my face (read:
> > causing
> > me headaches), they do not "create incentive". My using my or my
> > company's
> > software which doesn't work in my own environment (= work, home, phone,
> > etc)
> > "creates incentive". Lecturing me about how I can get a HE tunnel and
> > that if
> > I don't i'm ugly and my mother dresses me funny, otoh, just "creates
> > vexation
> > ".
> > Mike
>
> Just having IPv6 doesn't create incentives to make their code work
> with IPv6.  People just trundle along using IPv4.  Turning off IPv4
> creates incentives.  Reducing IPv4's capabilities creates incentives.
> Being told this needs to work and be tested with IPv6 creates
> incentives.
[jjmb] turning off IPv4 is not realistic at this time and there are other
ways to encourage the use and adoption of IPv6.  Enabling by default,
requesting upgrades for existing products that introduce support for IPv6.
 Enabling IPv6 alone is a significant statement especially when your
business relies on the same.  The absence of IPv6 or broken IPv6 when your
business relies on it are no longer options.
> Broken networks get people to fix things.  Unfortunately most
> developers don't test with broken networks.  If they did "Happy
> Eyeballs" would not have happened.  The applications would have
> coped with only some address of a multi-homed server working.
>
> Mark
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