Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list

[Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>]

Sure.  I assume it on real wire centers, I don't on RSUs or carrier.  Luckily it's easy to tell which is which, in most 
cases.

Walter Keen <walter.keen () rainierconnect net> wrote:

> In the US, any incumbent phone carrier (ILEC), is required to have POTS
> lines on a power infrastructure capable of sustaining at least an 8
> hour interruption in commercial power, whether it's in a remote or
> central office. Most companies use batteries at remotes (and put
> portable generators out when needed) and have permanent generators at
> central offices 
>
>
> I know this is not the exact wording, but in the US at least, it's
> required by the FCC. I can't remember if competitive local exchange
> carriers (CLEC) have the same requirements. 
>
> Your local carrier may or may not be in compliance with having
> (battery/generator) there to sustain 8 hours of operation, and I doubt
> they would tell you details of their power systems. 
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jay Ashworth" <jra () baylink com> 
> To: "Walter Keen" <walter.keen () rainierconnect net>, "William Herrin"
> <bill () herrin us> 
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 4:09:25 PM 
> Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list 
>
> The issue wasn't diversity, it was "is my POTS on Central Battery";
> sorry for the comparative red herring. 
> - jra 
>
>
> Walter Keen <walter.keen () rainierconnect net> wrote: 
>
>
> I work for a rural Telecom in northwest US. 
>
>
> Typically when I hear statements like that, it's that the tech built
> (strung aerially, trenched through ground, or through buried conduit)
> from a pedestal or other copper splice point to the customer premise. 
>
>
> I would only expect this to go to the nearest remote terminal, or
> central office if there is no rem ote terminal. In a lot of (rural)
> cases, there is no direct copper between most houses and the central
> office, instead they have to (in most cases, depending on what copper
> cabling is available you are only able to reach one remote) cable you
> to the closest remote that has equipment, where you are aggregated and
> back-hauled (typically via fiber, but sometimes by T1) to the central
> office. 
>
>
> If someone wanted completely physical diversity, up to the point of the
> CO, you would have to ask (likely a few times, and possibly being
> escalated to an engineering department of sorts) if your new POTS line
> can be homed to a different remote, or directly to the CO, ideally on a
> different physical cable route, assuming your goal is backhoe
> diversity. 
>
>
> For a business line, they may be willing to work with you on diversity
> requirements. 
>
>
> About the only way to guess if you're connected to a RSU or directly to
> the CO, you would have to know where the CO is, guess the approximate
> copper distance to it (which may involve guessing the approximate path
> the cable goes) and then hook up some equipment to your POTS line that
> measures and estimates the distance of that copper pair. Then you can
> guess where you might be connected to. 
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "William Herrin" <bill () herrin us> 
> < b>To: "Jay Ashworth" <jra () baylink com> 
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:30:48 PM 
> Subject: Re: OOB core router connectivity wish list 
>
> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com> wrote: 
> > You are suggesting that it is *at all* difficult for a technically
> competent 
> > end-user to determine whether a given new POTS line will go to a CO
> or to an RSU? 
>
> Well, let me treat this as an opportunity to learn. How does one 
> arrange for a POTS line ordered from the telco to travel its own 
> dedicated copper pair all the way back to the central office building 
> if the the tech tells you he only built it from one of the local holes 
> in the ground? 
>
> Regards, 
> Bill Herrin 
>
>
>
>
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