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Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband
From: Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com>
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 21:53:52 -0500
Fletcher, Your specific case may vary, but I am most certainly _not_ "making stuff up". In many territories, especially outside of major metro areas, you cannot order dry pairs. This has been because of a combination of relaxed rules (if you really want I can dig up the NTCA reports on this) and because the rules never required the ILEC to add capacity once they were used up. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Fletcher Kittredge <fkittred () gwi net> wrote:
In this particular post, your making stuff up. There are still "residential focused" CLECs and ordering Unbundled Network Elements(UNEs) is not more difficult than in the past. The rules haven't changed. What is certainly true is that many CLECs have found that it is more lucrative to sell to businesses, but I don't think there is a correlation with residential getting more difficult. We used to be 75%/25% residential/business and are now 45%/55% business, but that reflects the *rapid* growth of the business market. regards, Fletcher On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:Joe, I'm assuming from your domain that you're in Canada where yes dry pairs are still generally available. I apologize for not making it clear that my comment was specifically about the US where dry pairs are nearly impossible to order today and the CLEC market has almost entirely abandoned the residential space. In fact, the only state in the US that I still see any residentially focused CLECs is Texas which tells me there is something about the regulations in that state that makes it more feasible. On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Joe Abley <jabley () hopcount ca> wrote:On 2013-02-03, at 14:39, Scott Helms <khelms () zcorum com> wrote:Dry pairs are impossible to order these days for a reason.Dry pairs are trivial to order round these parts. Generalisations are always wrong, no doubt including this one. Joe (putting the N back in NANOG)-- Scott Helms Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 -------------------------------- http://twitter.com/kscotthelms ---------------------------------- Fletcher Kittredge GWI 8 Pomerleau Street Biddeford, ME 04005-9457 207-602-1134
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- Re: Fwd: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband, (continued)
- Re: Fwd: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 02)
- Re: Fwd: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 02)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 02)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 02)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Leo Bicknell (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Joe Abley (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Fletcher Kittredge (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jason Baugher (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Fletcher Kittredge (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jean-Francois Mezei (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Fletcher Kittredge (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 04)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Jay Ashworth (Feb 03)
- Re: Rollup: Small City Municipal Broadband Scott Helms (Feb 03)