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Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network?
From: Jimmy Hess <mysidia () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 17:21:29 -0600
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:34 AM, /dev/ph0b0s <phobos () panopticism net>wrote:
On 12/12, R. Scott Evans wrote:I'm no lawyer but in the U.S., 18 USC 2703 appears to indicate this data must be kept for at least 180 days.You are very mistaken. There is no requirement to retain *any* logs (notwithstanding any orders issued by a court).
My observation would be that 18 USC 2703 appears to provide for requirements for the service provider to disclose certain records, IF the provider has the records stored. The act doesn't say they must keep the records for 180 days in the first place. The act actually appears to impose additional restrictions on records that have been in the electronic system for less than 180 days. If LESS than 180 days, then a warrant is required; if 180 days or MORE, then in some cases, an administrative procedure may be used, instead of a warrant: "that is in electronic storage in an electronic communications system for one hundred and eighty days or less, only pursuant to a warrant issued using the procedures described in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure" Section (f) Addresses a requirement to Preserve records, Preserve records and evidence PENDING issuance of a court order or process, SHALL retain for 90 days, extend to an additional 90-day period upon a renewed request by the government entity: " (f) Requirement To Preserve Evidence.— (1) In general.— A provider of wire or electronic communication services or a remote computing service, upon the request of a governmental entity, shall take all necessary steps to preserve records and other evidence in its possession pending the issuance of a court order or other process. (2) Period of retention.— Records referred to in paragraph (1) shall be retained for a period of 90 days, which shall be extended for an additional 90-day period upon a renewed request by the governmental entity. " -- -JH
Current thread:
- do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Carlos Kamtha (Dec 11)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Suresh Ramasubramanian (Dec 11)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Mikael Abrahamsson (Dec 11)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Ray Wong (Dec 12)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Sam Moats (Dec 12)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? R. Scott Evans (Dec 12)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Jake Mertel (Dec 12)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? /dev/ph0b0s (Dec 12)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Jimmy Hess (Dec 13)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Ray Wong (Dec 12)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Jon Lewis (Dec 13)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Sam Moats (Dec 13)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Carlos Kamtha (Dec 14)
- RE: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Vinny_Abello (Dec 16)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Paul Stewart (Dec 16)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Nick Hilliard (Dec 16)
- RE: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Vinny_Abello (Dec 17)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Blake Dunlap (Dec 17)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Sam Moats (Dec 17)
- Re: do ISPs keep track of end-user IP changes within thier network? Valdis . Kletnieks (Dec 17)