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Re: IPv6 Ignorance
From: Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 11:16:03 -0700
On Sep 16, 2012, at 20:23 , Randy Bush <randy () psg com> wrote:
[ yes, there are a lot of idiots out there. this is not new. but ]"We are totally convinced that the factors that made IPv4 run out of addresses will remanifest themselves once again and likely sooner than a lot of us might expect given the "Reccomendations" for "Best Practice" deployment."while i am not "totally convinced," i am certainly concerned. we are doing many of the same things all over again. remember when rip forced a homogenous, often classful, mask length in a network and we chewed through /24s? think /64 in ipv6, except it's half the bits not 1/4 of them. remember when we gave out As and Bs willy nilly? look at the giant swaths of v6 we give out today in the hopes that someone will deploy it. and don't bs me with how humongous the v6 address space is. we once though 32 bits was humongous. randy
We thought 32 bits was humongous in the context of a research project that would connect universities, research institutions and some military installations. In that context, 32 bits would still be humongous. Our estimation of humongous didn't change, the usage of the network changed dramatically. The experiment escaped from the laboratory and took on a life of its own. Once that happened, the realization that 32 bits wasn't enough was very nearly immediate. The IPv6 address space offers 61 bits of network numbers each of which holds up to 64 bits worth of hosts. Obviously you never want to fill one of those subnets (nor could you with any available hardware), but it means that you don't have to waste time thinking about rightsizing network assignments. I won't say we will never run out of IPv6 address space, but I will say that I'll be surprised if IPv6 doesn't hit a different limit first. Guess what... If it turns out that our current behavior with respect to IPv6 addresses is ill-advised, then, we have 6+ more copies of the current IPv6 address space where we can try different allocation strategies. Rather than fretting about the perils of using the protocol as intended, let's deploy it, get a working end-to-end internet and see where we stand. Owen
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance, (continued)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Jason Baugher (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Eugen Leitl (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Joe Hamelin (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Cutler James R (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Owen DeLong (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Owen DeLong (Sep 18)
- RE: IPv6 Ignorance Beeman, Davis (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Masataka Ohta (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Masataka Ohta (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Owen DeLong (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance joseph . snyder (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance William Herrin (Sep 17)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Owen DeLong (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance William Herrin (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Valdis . Kletnieks (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Mark Andrews (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Owen DeLong (Sep 18)
- Re: IPv6 Ignorance Masataka Ohta (Sep 16)