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Re: carping about CARP
From: Nick Hilliard <nick () foobar org>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:44:27 +0000
On 30/11/2012 05:52, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
[*] The OpenBSD side of the story can be read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Address_Redundancy_Protocol#No_official_Internet_protocol_number Seems that there is a lesson to be learned here: "o hai, we wrote this software but can not be bothered to follow your process or formally write up the protocol, plz to be giving us a protocol number" ain't gonna fly.
Which is fair enough from the ietf's point of view. Having said that, 1. patent US5473599 is pretty general and I can't see why it wouldn't apply to any host running CARP for router NHRP - although it's not clear that it would apply to e.g. host service high availability addressing. IOW, it's not at all clear that this is a legally unencumbered protocol, despite the bleatings from the openbsd camp. 2. the original patent is due to expire in about 18 months (april 2014) and i can't immediately see any cip applications which might extend it. This will render the debate substantially redundant. Regarding the ruckus between the openbsd camp and the ietf, the ietf's position is here: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/vrrp/current/msg00350.html It looks like there wasn't any serious attempt on the part of the openbsd people to engage with the ietf. There were no drafts, barely any mailing list postings to either the vrrp (now concluded) or routing discussion WGs, and apparently only a single presentation at a single ietf meeting. Maybe I've missed something though - I haven't checked the openbsd mailing lists because apparently their archives aren't publicly accessible. It's not at all clear why the openbsd people expected that a "petition" to IANA would result in them being assigned an official protocol number for CARP. There are only 254 of these available so it's not unreasonable to decline to register them unless there is a strong written case to do so. There's a policy in place for this (rfc5237), and it's in place for a good reason. As for the openbsd position on the choice of protocol number: "Consequently we were forced to choose a protocol number which would not conflict with anything else of value, and decided to place CARP at IP protocol 112" My goodness, what a co-incidence that they happened to choose the same protocol number as VRRP. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg48988.html Good thing this wasn't ever going to cause people trouble. Nick
Current thread:
- Re: carping about CARP, (continued)
- Re: carping about CARP David Conrad (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Doug Barton (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Claudio Jeker (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Andrew Sullivan (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Nick Hilliard (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP David Walker (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Andrew Sullivan (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Owen DeLong (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Robert E. Seastrom (Nov 30)
- Re: carping about CARP Robert E. Seastrom (Nov 30)