Re: Whats so difficult about ISSU

[Oliver Garraux <oliver () g garraux net>]

I know some people here have mentioned good experiences with ISSU on
Nexus.   I don't doubt that it usually works right, but in my latest
experience with upgrading NX-OS on dual-SUP'ed 7k's, it was "hitless"
if, by "hitless", you mean ~20% packet loss while troubleshooting with
TAC before we found that we had to remove and re-apply QoS policies
from every interface.

Also, depending on the update, linecards might have to be reset.

Oliver

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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Kasper Adel <karim.adel () gmail com> wrote:
> Does that mean they are the only vendor capable of doing this today?
>
> I am interested in the technology behind this if this is something public,
> any ideas?
>
> Thx
>
> On Friday, November 9, 2012, Kenneth McRae wrote:
>
> > I have performed micro code upgrades using ISSU on the Juniper platform.
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Kasper Adel <karim.adel () gmail com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'karim.adel () gmail 
> > com');>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > What i was asking is full ISSU, even with micro code. I assume between
> > > Major release there will be microcode upgrade most of the time.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Phil <bedard.phil () gmail com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'bedard.phil () gmail 
> > > com');>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The major vendors have figured it out for the most part by moving to
> > > > stateful synchronization between control plane modules and implementing
> > > > non-stop routing.
> > > >
> > > > ALU has supported ISSU on minor releases for many years and just added
> > > > support for major releases.
> > > >
> > > > The Cisco Nexus ISSU works well, I've done an upgrade on a 5K switch and
> > > > it was completely hitless.
> > > >
> > > > Juniper and Cisco with the 9K have gone through some hurdles but ISSU is
> > > > actually usable now if the software versions support it.
> > > >
> > > > The main remaining hurdle is updating microcode on linecards, they still
> > > > need to be rebooted after an upgrade.
> > > >
> > > > Phil
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 8, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Kasper Adel <karim.adel () gmail com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'karim.adel () gmail 
> > > > com');>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > We've been hearing about ISSU for so many years and i didnt hear that
> > > any
> > > > > vendor was able to achieve it yet.
> > > > >
> > > > > What is the technical reason behind that?
> > > > >
> > > > > If i understand correctly, the way it will be done would be simply to
> > > > have
> > > > > extra ASICs/HW to be able to build dual circuits accessing the same
> > > > memory,
> > > > > and gracefully switch from one to another. Is that right?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Kim