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Re: last mile, regulatory incentives, etc (was: att fiber, et al)


From: david peahi <davidpeahi () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:53:32 -0700

I have discovered that the Federal School Lunch E-Rate program has built
out an entirely parallel fiber optic infrastructure in the USA, bypassing
telco fiber in many urban areas such as Los Angeles/Southern California.
There are now companies that exist solely to construct E-Rate fiber.
Sunesys is one such company.
E-Rate builds out fiber to schools and libraries, and the telcos apparently
have lobbied to ensure that a lateral to a library, for example, does not
become a local fiber hub, but the backbone fiber can be used by anyone,
with laterals built to order.
I do not work for any of these E-Rate companies, but have discovered their
potential use for connecting my network locations together.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:26 AM, Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:


On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:05 AM, chris wrote:

I'm all for VZ being able to reclaim it as long as they open their fiber
which I don't see happening unless its by force via government. At the
end
of the day there needs to be the ability to allow competitors in so of
course they shouldnt be allowed to rip out the regulated part and replace
it with a unregulated one.

I think this partly captures the incentive case here, but there is also a
larger one at play.  Over the years the copper infrastructure was installed
and extended through various incentive programs.  You can see the
modern-day reflection of that in the RUS (used to manage rural
electrification act, part of USDA) and NTIA (Department of Commerce).

The barriers to entry are significant for a new player in the marketplace.
 The cost is putting the cabling in the ground vs the cost of the cable
itself.  One can easily pick up hardware for $250 to light a single strand
of 9/125 SM fiber @ 10km for a 1Gb/s ethernet link.  That's low enough you
could likely get a consumer to buy the hardware.  The real cost is the
installation per strand foot/mile.

In the past this has been subsidized for copper plant.  There is no reason
in my mind that the fiber plant should be treated differently from this
standpoint.  I can find fiber optic cabling for $0.25/ft.  The problem here
is a multi-dimensional one that I've seen play out in a few markets:

Verizon selling assets to Fairpoint (NH, ME, VT).  These are high cost
areas due to low-density population.  For the sale to go through, Fairpoint
had to agree to build into these higher cost areas.  The result was
bankruptcy for Fairpoint.

Verizon sold assets in Michigan (and other states) to Frontier.  I've not
tracked this one as closely, but I suspect the economics of this are fairly
complex.

I've also spoken to some small ISPs and their general cost of building
fiber to the home tends to be $2500/subscriber in upfront capital.  This
covers just the installation cost.  Due to years of subsidy and regulation,
people are unwilling to pay this amount to install a telecommunications
service whereas a new home requiring a connection to the water, sewers,
natural gas or electric grid may pay $10k or more to connect.  Many people
wouldn't think of buying a home without electric service, but without
modern telecommunication service?  I've seen this play out after the fact
with friends asking how to get service.  Satellite, Fixed wireless or just
cellular data quickly become their fallbacks.  The demand is there, the
challenge becomes recovering the build cost.

It is my firm belief that without a regulatory regime it will not be
feasible to connect many communities robustly to modern communications
infrastructure.  This could clearly change if the carriers involved see fit
to replace this infrastructure, but with their current debt loads, I think
it will be challenging to say the least.

Taking a look at Verizon - Their most recent quarterly balance sheet shows:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=VZ

Assets: 230.461 Billion USD
Liabilities: 194.491 Billion USD.

This is not a lot of money, considering they have growing liabilities on a
quarterly basis as part of their debt load (Long-term debt of $50 Billion).

A large fiber build would easily cost a few billion dollars and have lots
of regulatory barriers.  In my county it costs $200 to go over or under any
public road (just for the permit).  This starts to add up quickly.

I do think we need a new last-mile regime in many areas, be it more "fair"
access similar to pole attach fees or the removal of local barriers to
build this infrastructure.

Some school and other governments here in Michigan would love to
sell/lease their excess fiber capacity to the private sector, but are
worried about turning a profit when it was built with taxpayer funds and
problems associated with that.  I'd like to see these barriers removed.  If
it's there, lets make it of value.  If the school system turns a profit on
their enterprise, that's fine, it can lower the tax burden elsewhere.

Me?  I'd be willing to pay $2500 to have Fiber built to my home.  I might
even pay more.  At this point, my research continues on building the fiber
and arranging my own easements for where to place it.  I suspect you just
need a few geeks that are willing to part with some extra $ for fiber
bragging rights and one can build it.

- Jared



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