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Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?)
From: Masataka Ohta <mohta () necom830 hpcl titech ac jp>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:44:14 +0900
valdis.kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
hosts. However, for an ISP operating the NAT gateway, it may be easier to operate independent servers at default port for DNS, SMTP, HTTP and other applications for their customers than operating application relays.So you're admitting that the NAT breaks things badly enough at the ISP level that running a forwarding ALG is easier than actually making the NAT work.
No, I don't. I just wrote that, if servers' port numbers are not changeable, which has nothing to do with NAT, ISPs or someone else can run servers, not ALGs. It's like operating a server for whois, when whois commands had a hard coded fixed IP address of the server. Note that, at that time, the Internet was completely transparent that your argument has nothing to do with the transparency.
(HInt - we haven't solved that problem for NAT yet, it's one of the big reasons that NAT breaks stuff)As you can see, there is no such problem.You haven't actually *deployed* your solution in a production environment, have you?
Because we still have enough IPv4 addresses, because most users are happy with legacy NAT and because some people loves legacy NAT, there is not much commercial motivation. However, it does not invalidate end to end NAT as a counter argument against people insisting on IPv6 so transparent with a lot of legacy NAT used by people who loves it. That is, end to end transparency can not be a reason to insist on IPv6. Masataka Ohta
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?), (continued)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Dave Hart (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Owen DeLong (Jun 13)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 19)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 19)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 19)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) valdis . kletnieks (Jun 13)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 19)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) valdis . kletnieks (Jun 19)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 20)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Dave Hart (Jun 20)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 20)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Jay Ashworth (Jun 20)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Dave Hart (Jun 20)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 21)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Randy Bush (Jun 21)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 21)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 21)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 21)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Owen DeLong (Jun 21)