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RE: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?)
From: "Tony Hain" <alh-ietf () tndh net>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:25:21 -0700
Masataka Ohta wrote:
Karl Auer wrote:: I've seen links with up to 15k devices where ARP represented : a significant part of the link usage, but most weren't (yet) IPv6. MLD noise around a router is as bad as ARP/ND noise.Possibly true, but that's another discussion.Then, you could have simply argued that there is no ARP problem with IPv6, because ND, not ARP, were another discussion.That's how IPv6 along with SLAAC is totally broken.I think we have different ideas of what constitutes "totally" broken.It is because you avoid to face the reality of MLD.
MLD != ND MLD == IGMP ND ~= ARP ND is less overhead on end systems than ARP because it is only received by nodes that are subscribed to a specific multicast group rather than broadcast reception by all. There is no difference in L2 resolution traffic at the packet level on the network. There are multicast join messages for groups specific to ND use, but those should not be frequent, and were a specific tradeoff in minor additional network load to reduce significant end system load. There are DAD messages that impact group members, but in IPv4 there are gratuitous ARP broadcasts which impact all nodes, so while the number of messages for that function is the same, the system-wide impact is much lower. Multicast group management is inherently noisy, but a few more bits on the wire reduces the load on the significantly larger number of end systems. Get over it ... Tony
Current thread:
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?), (continued)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 07)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Mark Andrews (Jun 07)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 07)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Dave Hart (Jun 07)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 07)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 07)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Jean-Francois . TremblayING (Jun 08)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- RE: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Tony Hain (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- RE: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Tony Hain (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Owen DeLong (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Dave Hart (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 12)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Owen DeLong (Jun 13)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Masataka Ohta (Jun 19)
- Re: IPv6 /64 links (was Re: ipv6 book recommendations?) Karl Auer (Jun 19)