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Re: Megaupload.com seized
From: Steven Bellovin <smb () cs columbia edu>
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:03:00 -0500
On Jan 21, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----From: "Lyle Giese" <lyle () lcrcomputer net>Not that I would not be a bit miffed if personal files disappeared, but that's one of the risks associated with using a cloud service for file storage. It could have been a fire, a virus erasing file, bankruptcy, malicious insider damage... Doesn't matter, you lost access to legit content in the crossfire.I'm not sure this is actually true. The Law generally recognizes 'accident' as a means for relieving people of responsibility for criminal acts -- it can't *be* a criminal act without scienter on the part of the doer.
Actually, that's often not true in recent laws. There was an article in the Wall Street Journal a month or so ago that gave some glaring examples of not just laws but actual convictions.
In this case, the doer was negligent, rather than purposefully malicious, but we have solutions for that as well.
I'm not sure what you mean by "doer" here. http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2012/01/copyrights-feds-push-novel-theories-in-megaupload-case.html has an interesting analysis. It presents a number of factual statements that are capable of multiple interpretations. This in turn means that much of the case is likely to turn on scienter, which in turn means heavy reliance on the seized emails. This will be an interesting case to watch. --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Current thread:
- Re: Megaupload.com seized, (continued)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized JC Dill (Jan 21)
- RE: Megaupload.com seized George Bonser (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized JC Dill (Jan 23)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Matthew Kaufman (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized James Smith (Jan 21)
- RE: Megaupload.com seized George Bonser (Jan 22)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Michael Thomas (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Joel jaeggli (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Michael Thomas (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Jay Ashworth (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Steven Bellovin (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Roland Perry (Jan 22)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Nick B (Jan 22)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Joseph Snyder (Jan 22)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Robert Bonomi (Jan 22)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Jay Ashworth (Jan 22)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Kevin Day (Jan 21)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Joly MacFie (Jan 20)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Joly MacFie (Jan 20)
- RE: Megaupload.com seized Don Bowman (Jan 23)
- Re: Megaupload.com seized Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 23)