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Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks)
From: David Conrad <drc () virtualized org>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:10:00 -0800
On Feb 1, 2012, at 10:16 AM, George Bonser wrote:
"We have a contractual relationship with our customer to announce that space. We have neither a contractual relationship (in this context) with the RIR nor the RIR's customer. The RIR and/or the RIR's customer should resolve this issue with our customer."Contracts are generally not a valid reason to be breaking laws.Which law?Let's say I had a business in space in a building I was leasing at 100 Main Street, Podunk, USA.
I'm told IP addresses aren't property.
Or let's say I operated a TV station
As I understand it, radio frequencies are subject to international treaties. In signatory countries, laws can be enacted to enforce the provisions of those treaties. As far as I'm aware, there are no treaties dealing with IP addresses or how those addresses are announced.
It might be civil rather than criminal but the rightful owner of the resource would have a good case.
"Owner"? Long ago, Mitch Kapor (I believe) described the Internet addressing system working because of the "Tinkerbelle Effect", that is (to paraphase), it works because everyone believes it is in their best interests that it works. However, as we've seen when push comes to shove, the Tinkerbelle Effect can break down. Thus, you get perfectly justifiable arguments for stuff like RPKI/BGPSEC and the equivalent of the Protocol Police. This does have the potential for unintended (and intended) consequences... Regards, -drc
Current thread:
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) David Conrad (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Antonio Querubin (Feb 01)
- RE: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) George Bonser (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) David Conrad (Feb 01)
- RE: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) George Bonser (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Chris Adams (Feb 01)
- RE: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Nathan Eisenberg (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Chris Adams (Feb 01)
- RE: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) George Bonser (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Blake Dunlap (Feb 01)
- RE: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) George Bonser (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Blake Dunlap (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) David Conrad (Feb 01)
- Re: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Ray Soucy (Feb 02)
- RE: [#135346] Unauthorized BGP Announcements (follow up to Hijacked Networks) Nathan Eisenberg (Feb 02)