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Re: Netflix transit preference?
From: Carlos Alcantar <carlos () race com>
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:28:25 +0000
I'M they would be more then willing to work with you on the open connect appliance, specifically if you offered to pay for the hardware which I'M sure would come in a lot cheaper then transport/transit over 12 months. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / carlos () race com / http://www.race.com -----Original Message----- From: randal k <nanog () data102 com> Date: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:46 AM To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick () ianai net> Cc: "nanog () nanog org" <nanog () nanog org> Subject: Re: Netflix transit preference? Hey Patrick, Thanks for your prompt response. Yes, we are trying to determine where/how we receive it ... not necessarily influence it, as there isn't so much we can do there as Netflix' egress policy is theirs and theirs alone (interestingly, nobody has communities to influence Netflix' AS2906 traffic). We cannot peer directly with Netflix as their openconnect statement requires 2gbps minimum, and mentions elsewhere that the like 5+. We aren't at 2gbps yet, and we are nowhere near one of their POPs -- it is way cheaper to buy 2-3gbps of cheap transit than it is to buy 2-3gbps of transport from Denver to LA. As mentioned, my notes to peering () netflix com have gone unanswered for the holidays (not unexpected), so I thought I'd ping the hive mind for some info in the meantime. Cheers, Randal On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick () ianai net>wrote:
On Dec 27, 2012, at 13:19 , randal k <nanog () data102 com> wrote:I work at a datacenter in southern Colorado that is the upstreambandwidthprovider for several regional ISPs. We have been investigating our ever-growing bandwidth usage and have found that out of transits (Level3,Cogent,HE) that Netflix always seems to come in via Hurricane Electric. (We move ~1.4gbps to Netflix, and are thus not a candidateforpeering. And they have no POP close.)Your statement about peering makes no sense. You are trying to engineer where their traffic comes and yet you refuse to have a direct connection which would give you full control? Weird.......I tested this by advertising a /24 across all providers, thenselectivelyremoved the advertisement to certain carriers to see where thebandwidthgoes. In order, it appears that if there is a HE route, Netflix usesit,period. If there isn't, it prefers Level3, and Cogent comes last.Completely unsurprising.Since Netflix is a big hunk of our bandwidth (and obviously makes our customers happy), we are included to buy some more HE. However, ifNetflixdecides that they want to randomly switch to, say, Cogent, we may beundera year-long bandwidth contract that isn't particularly valuableanymore.With all of that, I am interested in finding out of any knowledge about Netflix transit preferences, be it inside information, anecdotal, or otherwise. I did email peering@ but haven't heard back, thus the public question.Why don't you ask Netflix? And why not ask them for kit to put on-net? < https://signup.netflix.com/openconnect> -- TTFN, patrick
Current thread:
- Netflix transit preference? randal k (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Patrick W. Gilmore (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Jeff Kell (Dec 27)
- RE: Netflix transit preference? Steve Dodd (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? randal k (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Robert E. Seastrom (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? David Temkin (Dec 29)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Jeff Kell (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Patrick W. Gilmore (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? randal k (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Patrick W. Gilmore (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Patrick W. Gilmore (Dec 27)
- Re: Netflix transit preference? Carlos Alcantar (Dec 27)