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RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide
From: "Blake T. Pfankuch" <blake () pfankuch me>
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:07:54 +0000
Agreed. Had a customer during the timeframe of this week ditch 90 blackberries for iPhone/android devices. He actually sent me a video after BES finished uninstalling and he shut the server down "so help me I'm never getting another one of these damn coasters." One user said when they got the phone "where is the silly wheelie clicky thing." IT manager said "oh no you just touch the screen." I'm told it was like watching an 8 year old with a box of fireworks and matches.... For those who complain about security on windows mobile, iPhone or android... you can do l2tp vpn and then ActiveSync on top of that over https. Mobile device policies in Exchange for user experience control. Overall much easier than Blackberry, not dependent on someone else's equipment for things like mail delivery and internet browsing, and one less server to care about. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mhuff () ox com] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 6:44 AM To: 'Jamie Bowden'; 'Joe Abley' Cc: 'nanog () nanog org' Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide It's called Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync :) It works with Android, Apple and Microsoft devices. I believe both Lotus and Groupwise have licensed and support it as well. We have a few (but now, very few) blackberry users remaining. They won't let it go until we rip it out of their hands.
-----Original Message----- From: Jamie Bowden [mailto:jamie () photon com] Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:36 AM To: Joe Abley Cc: nanog () nanog org Subject: RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide You are correct. The BES uses PSKs to talk to RIM's servers, which then uses them to talk to the devices over the carrier networks. All of this was in complete failure mode until sometime overnight when it appears to have all started flowing again. Someday either Google or Apple will get off their rear ends and roll out an end to end encrypted service that plugs into corporate email/calendar/workgroup services and we can all gladly toss these horrid little devices in the recycle bins where they belong. Jamie-----Original Message----- From: Joe Abley [mailto:jabley () hopcount ca] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 6:06 PM To: Phil Regnauld Cc: nanog () nanog org Subject: Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide On 2011-10-12, at 18:02, Phil Regnauld wrote:Joe Abley (jabley) writes:On 2011-10-12, at 13:05, Leigh Porter wrote:Email on my iPhone is working fine.. ;-)The blackberry message service is centralised with a lot ofprocessing intelligence in the core. Messaging services that use the core as a simple transport and shift the processing intelligence totheedge have different, less-dramatic failure modes.This is not the case for corporate customers with dedicatedservers,AFAIU.I'm no expert, but my understanding is that at some/most/all traffic between handhelds and a BES, carried from the handheld device throughacellular network, still flows through RIM. Joe
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- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide, (continued)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Joe Abley (Oct 12)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo (Oct 12)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Phil Regnauld (Oct 12)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Joe Abley (Oct 12)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Phil Regnauld (Oct 12)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Christopher Morrow (Oct 12)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Jamie Bowden (Oct 13)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Matthew Huff (Oct 13)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Erik Soosalu (Oct 13)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide TR Shaw (Oct 13)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Blake T. Pfankuch (Oct 13)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Pierce Lynch (Oct 13)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Blake T. Pfankuch (Oct 13)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Jay Ashworth (Oct 13)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Christopher Morrow (Oct 13)
- RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Jamie Bowden (Oct 13)
- Re: NANOG:RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Andrea Gozzi (Oct 13)
- Re: NANOG:RE: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide McCall, Gabriel (Oct 13)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Patrick W. Gilmore (Oct 13)
- Re: [outages] News item: Blackberry services down worldwide Matthew Kaufman (Oct 13)
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